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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Den 2014-08-12 03:55, dbyentzen@xxxxxxxxxx skrev:
> On 2014-08-11 13:39, Ali Linx wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 08/11/2014 08:57 PM, Paul Sutton wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps during the testing phase, we could include programs like
>>> lshw (list hardware) and inxi to aid diagnostics or generally to aid
>>> diagnostics, we could then ask people before asking questions to
>>> look up how info on their system.
>>>
>>> just a thought
>>
>>  Such applications/programs/tools like: lshw which only require "CLI"
>> is definitely fine to add without the need to ask whether to add or
>> not :)
>>
>>  But what I was trying to explain on my previous email is we should
>> avoid adding too much GUI applications. Why? because the idea of
>> ToriOS is to give the user 100% freedom to build his/her system the
>> way he/she wants.
>>
>>  We offer the basic. They build the rest. This is ToriOS philosophy :)
>>
>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>  Thanks for your thought :)
>>
>>> On 11/08/14 13:48, Ali Linx wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/11/2014 04:11 PM, Israel wrote:
>>> Hi Ali and everyone,
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I guess the web browser will be the thing to handle all of those
>>> file types.
>>> So, Ali what web browser are we using?
>>>
>>> Since the very first days of ToriOS Project, I have shared my
>>> vision regarding the default applications. ToriOS should have only:
>>>
>>> Core System+Packages
>>> Terminal
>>> Browser
>>> Synaptic
>>> File Manager
>>> and very very few necessary applications
>>>
>>> However, after I replied the email (I was half asleep when I did
>>> and from my cell), I had an idea and I'd like to share it:
>>>
>>> Definitely, having very few applications by default might keep some
>>> users away from our system. There is something you need to
>>> understand that some very well-known Linux Distributions out there
>>> have NO desktop-package and if they do want to release an update,
>>> users have to download the whole thing (ISO) and even though, these
>>> distros are well-known and wildly used. ToriOS will be something
>>> much better hopefully.
>>>
>>> That said, I'm thinking to have two versions:
>>> 32-bit for the old machines which is this project is all about.
>>> 64-bit the very same 32-bit version BUT with more apps so those
>>> with newer machines can use ToriOS specially if they are new to
>>> GNU/Linux.
>>>
>>> The browser on the 32-bit can be something very simple and less
>>> powerful than Firefox.
>>>
>>> Firefox will be the default for 64-bit.
>>>
>>> So, the Q is:
>>>
>>> Are we okay with this?
>>>
>>> If yes, will that add more burden on our shoulders?
>>>
>>> We need to study our options and then decide ...
>>>
>>> I must say that I have never thought ToriOS 1.0 will be developed
>>> this great way and this is what is motivating me and encouraging me
>>> to give more to our users :)
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On 08/11/2014 02:12 AM, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Before you waste your time, everyone .. Please do understand that I
>>> have mentioned many times that ToriOS will NOT be shipped with
>>> default applications except the very needed ones. That said, there
>>> will be nothing as email program nor video player, etc.
>>>
>>> I shall send the list of what to be included and NO poll is
>>> required.
>>>
>>> Hope you see my point :)
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Sent from my smartphone.
>>>
>>> israeldahl@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey everyone,
>>>
>>> Please take a moment to fill this out. This will give us a good
>>> idea what is available, and what you all think. David has been busy
>>> testing some things, so this will help us narrow down some of the
>>> other fields, and give us a place to discuss this
>>> Thank you!! We are getting closer to a release so we need to figure
>>> out what we are going to include :)
>>>
>>> If you have trouble viewing or submitting this form, you can fill
>>> it out online:
>>>
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>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>> ToriOS Default Apps
>>>
>>> * Required
>>>
>>> Default PDF program *
>>> if there is a terminal program for this, we could test it out
>>> :)
>>> * evince
>>> * qpdfview
>>> * Firefox (if default browser)
>>> * Other:
>>> Default Web Browser *
>>> * Qupzilla
>>> * Firefox
>>> * Chromium
>>> * Other:
>>> Games *
>>> if you have a suggestion for one, post it to G+ or the mailing
>>> list
>>> * yes
>>> * no
>>> Office Programs *
>>> * Abiword/Gnumeric
>>> * no
>>> * Other:
>>> CD burner application *
>>> * xfburn
>>> * bash script
>>> * brasero
>>> * NO
>>> * Other:
>>> E-Mail *
>>> * Web browser
>>> * Sylpheed
>>> * Geary
>>> * Other:
>>> Text Editor *
>>> * xedit
>>> * mousepad
>>> * leafpad
>>> * pico
>>> * geany
>>> * Other:
>>> Package Manager *
>>> we can't use apt-get though it is BY FAR the lightest and
>>> fastest... unless someone wants to make a nice zenity dialog
>>> software center :)
>>> * Synaptic / gdebi
>>> * Lubuntu Software Center
>>> * Muon
>>> * aptitude
>>> * Other:
>>> Audio Player *
>>> these are just a few choices.... if you have a better one,
>>> please
>>> add it there are sooooooooooo many for GNU/Linux
>>> * Audacious
>>> * GmusicBrowser
>>> * Guayadeque
>>> * the default Video player
>>> * the web browser
>>> * Other:
>>> Default Video Player *
>>> we can't include VLC by default... sorry
>>> * Parole
>>> * xine
>>> * mplayer
>>> * web browser
>>> * Other:
>>> Any suggestions for other apps we should include?
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> 
> Hi Ali et al,
>   Thanks for the further refinement for your vision of ToriOS. I do have
> a question. First though, I am totally happy with the concept of giving
> the user a minimal, simple, fast, and small OS and then letting them
> build it as they see fit. My question:  Where will the users look to for
> a repository of ToriOS compatible apps? Or should it even be a community
> concern?
> 
> Specifically, even for a 64 bit machine, FF is large, slow, and uses
> lots of memory. I believe Qupzilla is a better fit for ToriOS( 64 or 32
> bit). Qup is small, fast, and has small memory usage than FF.
> 
> Additionally, for a 32 bit machine why not consider something like
> Links2 for a browser. It's a text( CLI ) browser with limited graphical
> abilities. It entirely conforms to the ToriOS vision.
> 
> Just my thoughts
> 
> Best
> David
> 

Hi everybody,

Continuing this interesting discussion:

0. I think it is a good idea to deliver ToriOS as light as possible, but
with easy options to build the system we want.

1. I prefer evince as pdf reader.

2. I think we should keep discussing the web browser. I think Midori is
also a good alterntive (lighter than Firefox).

Old lynx is a text alternative. I don't know Links2, is it better than lynx?

3. xterm is lighter than the lxterminal and gnome-terminal, and very
flexible. If you call it with a couple of options from the menu, the
font will be much bigger and nicer than the standard small font, for example

xterm -fa default -fs 13 &
xterm -fa default -fs 11 &

Best regards
Nio