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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Den 2014-08-12 23:38, Israel skrev:
> Hi all,
> (inline  and removed a lot of text)
> On 08/12/2014 04:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> [replying inline]
>> Best regards/Nio
>>
>> If the internet connection is bad, it is also bad to download the iso
>> file / image file. Would it be possible to distribute a DVD with
>> packages? Who and how many people would want it?
> I mean simply that some people do not have internet all the time.
> They may want to download everything on one day, and then they are stuck
> with our documentation and our programs.
> 
> This may not be common, but since the computers we target are older, I'd
> like to have the possibility of targeting limited access to internet for
> those use cases (since Ali has talked about making a fuller version with
> other packages)

Yes, I see.

>>> Since this is based on Ubuntu it will have the largest support from the
>>> non-linux world (though rpm is fairly close as well), and there are
>>> thousands of sites to help users with any number of issues.
>>>
>>> We can also make a
>>> torios-desktop package that installs all the extra stuff.  So, when you
>>> are in a chroot (based on Ubuntu) you can add a PPA, and build your
>>> image with just the torios-core.  Then you can go back into your chroot
>>> install the desktop package and build a second image with not much extra
>>> effort.
>>>
>>> The 2 barriers I am facing are:
>>> *1)* 12.04 does not want to build my package (I am working on this..
>>> trying to find out what is different in cmake 2.8.7 versus 2.8.12)
>>>
>>> *2)* OBI has to be run on a real computer with a USB to make the image
>>> (though Nio has said it can run from a certain Virtual Machine program..
>>> was it VMWare?)
>> The standard OBI boots from USB (normally) but can boot from any mass
>> storage device, also from an internal HDD (or virtual disk).
>> KVM-VirtManager can boot from USB, VirtualBox can boot from a (second)
>> virtual disk.
>>
>> But we can make an OBI-9w installer, which can boot also from CD, so
>> that it can be booted from the iso file by 'any' virtual machine program.
> Right... this is what we are going for isn't it... but can OBI work on a CD?
> This is (I think) an issue to address, since OBI clones and image, and
> doesn't install the live version, right... so the size is increased by
> 300MB or so?  Is this right?

The OBI-9w ToriOS iso file works from CD (is within CD size). The 9w
bare-bone size is approx. 200 MB, so there are approx. 500 MB for the
tarball to stay within CD size. This size limit is no problem with the
kind of very stripped down version we discuss.

I might be able to strip the bare-bone size down to 100 MB without a
graphical desktop (and the OBI works in text mode).

A version with a lot of application programs will exceed CD size, which
is no problem, if the installer can be booted from DVD or USB. A regular
iso file with ubiquity can contain more application programs within CD
size (than the OBI).

>>> I can build the 14.04 image within a few days, and release an ISO...
>>> however the 12.04 image will take me a bit of time to pick through my
>>> build logs, and read the 2.8.7 documentation to find out what is missing
>>> (or what works differently).
>> Do you need an iso for 12.04, or can it be OK with a compressed image of
>> an installed system, that is installed via the OBI or the OBI-9w?
> I was going to work on both... since I am making an Ubuntu chroot to act
> as the live image, I was going to build an OBI and if need be make an
> alternate version that can fit on a CD, though I hope OBI can fit on a
> CD with the compressed image
>>> P.S. anyone who has done this before and wants to help (or has never
>>> done this and wants to help) e-mail me :)
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
>