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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Everyone!
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On 08/12/2014 06:36 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Den 2014-08-12 23:38, Israel skrev:
>> Hi all,
>> (inline  and removed a lot of text)
>> On 08/12/2014 04:25 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> [replying inline]
>>> Best regards/Nio
>>>
>>> If the internet connection is bad, it is also bad to download the iso
>>> file / image file. Would it be possible to distribute a DVD with
>>> packages? Who and how many people would want it?
>> I mean simply that some people do not have internet all the time.
>> They may want to download everything on one day, and then they are stuck
>> with our documentation and our programs.
>>
>> This may not be common, but since the computers we target are older, I'd
>> like to have the possibility of targeting limited access to internet for
>> those use cases (since Ali has talked about making a fuller version with
>> other packages)
> Yes, I see.
>
>>>> Since this is based on Ubuntu it will have the largest support from the
>>>> non-linux world (though rpm is fairly close as well), and there are
>>>> thousands of sites to help users with any number of issues.
>>>>
>>>> We can also make a
>>>> torios-desktop package that installs all the extra stuff.  So, when you
>>>> are in a chroot (based on Ubuntu) you can add a PPA, and build your
>>>> image with just the torios-core.  Then you can go back into your chroot
>>>> install the desktop package and build a second image with not much extra
>>>> effort.
>>>>
>>>> The 2 barriers I am facing are:
>>>> *1)* 12.04 does not want to build my package (I am working on this..
>>>> trying to find out what is different in cmake 2.8.7 versus 2.8.12)
>>>>
>>>> *2)* OBI has to be run on a real computer with a USB to make the image
>>>> (though Nio has said it can run from a certain Virtual Machine program..
>>>> was it VMWare?)
>>> The standard OBI boots from USB (normally) but can boot from any mass
>>> storage device, also from an internal HDD (or virtual disk).
>>> KVM-VirtManager can boot from USB, VirtualBox can boot from a (second)
>>> virtual disk.
>>>
>>> But we can make an OBI-9w installer, which can boot also from CD, so
>>> that it can be booted from the iso file by 'any' virtual machine program.
>> Right... this is what we are going for isn't it... but can OBI work on a CD?
>> This is (I think) an issue to address, since OBI clones and image, and
>> doesn't install the live version, right... so the size is increased by
>> 300MB or so?  Is this right?
> The OBI-9w ToriOS iso file works from CD (is within CD size). The 9w
> bare-bone size is approx. 200 MB, so there are approx. 500 MB for the
> tarball to stay within CD size. This size limit is no problem with the
> kind of very stripped down version we discuss.
>
> I might be able to strip the bare-bone size down to 100 MB without a
> graphical desktop (and the OBI works in text mode).
>
> A version with a lot of application programs will exceed CD size, which
> is no problem, if the installer can be booted from DVD or USB. A regular
> iso file with ubiquity can contain more application programs within CD
> size (than the OBI).
Great!  I like the idea of a live system, and an installer that works on
such an old computer!!
But the requirement of a CD size is the main one :)

The 'desktop' version could be a DVD size.

The core system will be fairly small.... I'll look at a test machine I
have and let you know the rough estimate.
I suppose the 64 bit version could simply use Ubiquity, as 64bit systems
*should* have 4Gig of RAM... which is plenty for Ubiquity.

>>>> I can build the 14.04 image within a few days, and release an ISO...
>>>> however the 12.04 image will take me a bit of time to pick through my
>>>> build logs, and read the 2.8.7 documentation to find out what is missing
>>>> (or what works differently).
>>> Do you need an iso for 12.04, or can it be OK with a compressed image of
>>> an installed system, that is installed via the OBI or the OBI-9w?
>> I was going to work on both... since I am making an Ubuntu chroot to act
>> as the live image, I was going to build an OBI and if need be make an
>> alternate version that can fit on a CD, though I hope OBI can fit on a
>> CD with the compressed image
>>>> P.S. anyone who has done this before and wants to help (or has never
>>>> done this and wants to help) e-mail me :)
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>


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