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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Den 2016-01-06 kl. 23:06, skrev Israel:
> On 01/06/2016 02:28 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> ..
> I agree with Nio's assesment.
> 
> We should all try to be very clear with each other, it is often hard to
> fully express ourselves via faceless text.  :)
>> @ all other toriosadores, ToriOS needs input from more people in this
>> discussion in order to find a solution that is good enough. Please
>> tell us what *you* think :-) Best regards Nio 
> Hey all,
> I am willing to contribute financially as well, I currently do not have
> much to add but I think between Nio and I we could split the yearly
> cost, until we received more support or others chime in.
> 
>   I have been extremely busy recently, and have not had the time to do
> much.  I have been working on rebasing for trusty, the main issue I face
> there is the increased size of the dependencies.  Many things now
> require things we do not use/want/need, such as NetworkManager.  This
> requires a lot more dependencies (initial systemd stuff that was
> introduced in 14.04)  It will take a while to get a decent sized CD out
> of this, as OBI requires a tarball... perhaps we could offer a separate
> solution where we have a CD image that requires a separate download of
> the tarball... though I will continue to look through things and see
> where I can cut corners (in size not quality of course).
> The best I have gotten so far is around 800MiB  This is too much for a
> CD, and does not include Seamonkey in any form (live or installed).  I
> might be able to shirnk it more (removing things like synaptic? 
> possibly using my battery monitor (very small gtk program) instead of
> the XFCE power manager)
> I still need to test things more but the space issue is the largest.  We
> fixed nearly everything with OBI in our previous testing and have made
> it much more robust.
> I do wish there was a smaller network manager that did not require all
> the gnome stuff, and worked as well (including native icon theme
> support), but I haven't found one yet.
> 

Hi Israel,

I'm glad to share whatever costs are necessary for ToriOS with you :-)

-o-

Please check carefully if systemd really appears with the Trusty kernel,
the 3.13 series, that you get when you start from 14.04 LTS and 14.04.1
LTS. If not, it might be possible to lock booting via init (the old way
instead of systemd). I think Lubuntu works well with systemd, but it
probably makes things bigger. Julien Lavergne has to strip a lot from
the alternate iso files in order to keep them within CD size in Xenial.
Lubuntu has given up CD size for the desktop iso files (they are way
above 700 Mibibytes nowadays (in Xenial)).

14.04.2 gives you the utopic kernel and 14.04.3 the vivid kernel, and
soon we will get 14.04.4 with the wily kernel. Finally 14.04.5 LTS will
give us the Xenial kernel.

-o-

It might be tricky to get a working mini.iso file with the version 14.04
or 14.04.1 and the Trusty kernel. Please try via this link (and tell me
if you still can't find such a mini.iso to start from).

http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/

An alternative might be to start from an Ubuntu Server iso file with the
Trusty kernel (but not install any server package).

Best regards
Nio