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[Israel <israeldahl@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Ali
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On 04/21/2016 09:09 AM, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Israel <israeldahl@xxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:israeldahl@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>     On 04/21/2016 08:15 AM, Ali/amjjawad wrote:
> >     ...
> >     ....
>     Hi Ali,
>
>
> Hi and thanks for your quick reply ..
>
>     The precise version has the bug for network-manager in the Live ISO.
>     I have been busy fixing the bugs we can fix in OBI, and the
>     Software installer programs.
>     I have tried a few ways to fix the network-manager bug but have
>     not had success.  We have come across this bug in precise a few
>     times, and have gotten it to disappear, but I am not entirely sure
>     how it goes away or what is causing it.
>
>
> Neither do I.
>
> My only thought about that (from experience) is to build a new clean 
> ISO for 12.04.5 hoping for that nasty bug to fade away.
Every build is from the latest in the repos.  So it is more up to date 
than even 12.04.5
> I have no idea whether it's a ToriOS issue or Ubuntu issue? we need to 
> search on Launchpad for any similar bugs or we need to report a new one.
I have looked and looked for solutions, but we have had more than one 
issue with network-manager and Ubuntu Precise.
It may simply be that newer versions are working better
> Nio could help us by sharing that issue on the Ubuntu forums maybe!
perhaps, he doesn't have as much time as he used to.
>     The Debian version has none of those issues, has more modern
>     software and is supported for 4 more years.
>     So since you want to release ToriOS this month, this is our best
>     candidate.
>
>
> My one and only objection or let me use a much better phrase ... my 
> one and only concern is:
> We have promised everyone for 2 years that we shall release an Ubuntu 
> based system and with all the delay (for reasons we know) that 
> happened, we come and say: "Dear users, you know what? here is Debain 
> version!"
Debian is based on Ubuntu, so it will not be much to get used to (except 
adding PPAs)
> If you as a developer can confirm that would not technically affect 
> anything whatsoever, then from this very moment you have my final 
> green light to go ahead with Debian.
The only thing it effects is adding a PPA.  But the general user most 
likely will not be adding a PPA.
Most things will be handled from firstrun, or the software installer.
This includes installing Chrome, Opera and informing the user how to 
install Skype (you have to download each release)
I did research these things quite a bit when we originally thought we 
needed to switch.
> So, in that case, 1.0 will only be Debian.
>
> With 2.0, we can have both.
>
> But then again, if and only if technical wise, that would be the same.
>
>     If you like I can build one from Xenial soon, and have a Ubuntu
>     flavour, but it will not support PAE, unless we build our own
>     kernel.  Nio has stated we most likely do not need PAE support,
>     mainly just a kernel flag to support most computers.
>
>
> No, I see that pointless at the stage we're now.
It is much like building from Precise, but with newer software. Precise 
will be supported for a very short time, but Xenial will be much longer, 
so to me it would be a good Ubuntu version to use.
>     Xenial is quite similar to Debian, and should work fairly easily. 
>     I have tested many of our programs in Xenial already and they are
>     working well.
>
>
> That's for the next versions. Let's focus on 1.0 at the moment, please ;)
Yes, I will.

Nio and I have talked about offering a smaller CD in the future which a 
person would download a tarball to install separately and then we could 
have BIGGER OS (preinstalled software, 32 and 64bit) and it would still 
work on computers that cannot boot from USB.
All this is already built into OBI (even downloading the tarball) and 
will take only the effort to build a smaller ISO (I could do this fairly 
easily)

We could even build the Debian ISO with a precise tarball, and install 
that way if you want to use precise.
>     -- 
>     Regards
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
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> Best Regards,
> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>


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