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Message #00086
Re: Uyghurche Kunupka Taxta (XKB/Xorg nusxisi)
Hehe... Undaq demeng, Gheyret ustaz. Sizning pikirinigz shundaqlar
bularning asasi bolghan tejribiliringiz biz keyin kelgenler uchun nahayiti
qimmetlik. Shungimu bu kunupka taxtisini yollashtin burun sizlerning korup,
tekshurup beqishinglargha sunishim. Bundaq mesililerning otturigha chiqishi
tebi'iy. Mening undaq deginim, hergizmu bu mesililer tupeyli bu ishtin waz
kechish emes. Men peqet teximu kop kishilerning pikirini anglap baqmaqchi.
Bolsa Burkut we Muhemmed Abdulla ependimmu koz qarishini qoyup baqqan
bolsa, eng bolmighanda ularmu bu ishtin xewerdar bolup qalghan bolsa, menmu
xatirjem ishimni dawamlashtursam degen umidde idim. Yighin bar idi,
mushunchilik chushenche berey.
PS.
Burkut we Muhemmed Abdulla ependilerni bu manizirige bashlap kirgili
bolarmu?
2010/5/13 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam ependi,
> Salam kopchilik,
>
> Qayta-qayta quruq gep qilip waqtinglarni alghinimdin epu soraymen.
> >Hm... Bu mesile yene otturigha chiqip taqishidighan boldi.
>
> Abdusalam ependi sizning boshashmay ishlarni dawamlashturushingizni umid
> qilimen.
>
> Mening pikirlirimni paydilinip korsenglerla boliweridu. mening pikrim
> hergizmu birer orun yaki birer teshkilatqa wekillik qilalmaydu.Yene kelip
> mening pikirimni anglap kopchilik ozliri qilwatqan ishtin hegiz waz
> kechmeslikini umid qilimen. Men peqet ozumning terjibisinila dedim xalas.
> kopchilikning ozi qiliwatqan ishlarni dadil qiliwerishini otunimen,
> hergizmu men bir ish qilsam, biri undaq deydiken, biri mundaq deydiken, dep
> qiliwaqtan ishinglardin waz kechip qalmanglar.
> Chunki bu gurupta ish qiliwatqanlar, Uyghur tilining kompyuterda bir
> kishlik orun elishi uchun kuch chiqiriwatqanlardur.
> Xata bolsun toghra bolsun dadil qiliweringlar.
>
> Salam Bilen
> Gheyret T. Kenji
> 2010/05/13
>
>
> 2010/5/13 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam ependi,
>>
>> Yasin Imin ependi bilen korushsekmu, eniq bir netije chiqmasliqi mumkin.
>> Men bastaxtidiki tinish belgilirining birer olchimi barmu yoqmu, eng
>> deslepte UyghurEditini elan qilishtin burun (6 yil burunghu deymen), Yasin
>> Imin ependidin Olchem heqqide meslihet sorisam hechqandaq olchem yoqliqini
>> degen idi.
>> Shuning bilen men Burun UHK sistemisida ishletken kunupka
>> orunlashturulushini ishletken idim.
>> Keyin UKK(Til yeziq komiteti ishligen kirguzguch) timu mushu UyghurEditta
>> ishlitilgen kunupka orunlashturulushi ishlitildi.
>> yeni erebche rayonda bar pirsent belgisige 0x066a ni ishletken idim(UKK
>> dimu shundaq). keyin buni chiqiriwettim. chunki Uyghurchida reqemler
>> 1,2,3... degen reqemlerni ishletken bolghachqa bezi fontlarda reqem bilen
>> bu pirsent belgisining asas sisziqidiki oxshimasliq sewebidin egiz-pes
>> korunup qalidiken.
>>
>> Keyin tordiki inkaslar we kopchilikning talash-tartishlirni anglighandin
>> keyin, bir qisim tinish belgilirining bolupmu, siziqning xulasisi UKIJ
>> chiqirilghandin keyin bastaxtidiki pes siziqqa hazirqi siziqni
>> orunlashturdum.(nurghun kizguchlerde font tiki pes siziqni ustige kotuurp,
>> yeni fontni ozgertip ishletken iken..., munaziride bu mesilmu otturgha
>> qoyulghan)
>>
>> yalang tirnaqqa kelsek, bu putunley Kiguzguch yasighanlarning Uyghur Tili
>> heqqidiki bolupmu tinish belgiliri heqqidiki chushnchisining kemlikidin
>> bolghan dep qaraymen. menmu buningdin mustesna emes. menmu UyghurEditta we
>> burunqi UHK sistemisida buni oylashmaptikenmen. hech kim bu heqte pikirmu
>> bermigen(U chaghda to yoq idi).
>>
>> Keyin bu heqtiki pikirlerni anglighandin keyin andin yalang tirnaqni
>> qoshtum.
>> Bu mening ozumning kozqarishi. hazirghiche qilghan ishlardin ogengen
>> tejribem.
>>
>> Eger keyin olchem elan qilinghanda yamaq salimiz desek umu bolidu. biraq
>> hazir eng kop ishlitiwatqan tekistlat kirguzguhci qatarliqlarni kozde
>> tutqanda mushuni olchem qilsaq meninghce hechqandaq xatalashmaymiz
>> Muhemmed ependimu mumkin bolsa Linux uchun yasighan kirguzguchke bu uch
>> kunupkini qoshuwetken bolsa degen umidim bar.
>>
>> Yenila kopchilikning pikirige hormet qilimen. Hemmeylen bolsa pikir berip
>> baqsanglar. shundaq bolghandila ishlirimiz puxta bolghan bolidu. keyinki
>> awarichiliqtin azraq bolsimu qutulimiz.
>>
>> Salam Bilen
>>
>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>> 2010/05/13
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> Hm... Bu mesile yene otturigha chiqip taqishidighan boldi. Emdi qandaq
>>> qilarimni bilelmeywatimen. Bashqilarning pikirinimu anglap baqayli emise.
>>> Yaki bolmisa siz yaki men Yasin Imin ependi bilen bir alaqiliship baqsaq
>>> qandaq bolar?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam ependi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows qa Uyghurche kunupka qoshulghili texi birer yilmu bolmidi. Uni
>>>>> yollap bergen kishimu belkim yuqiriqi munazirilerni kormigen we yaki
>>>>> munaziriler uningdin keyin bolghan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meningche Windowsqa oxshash qilishning hechqandaq zoruriyiti yoq.
>>>>> Asasliq tinish belgilirining(– ‹ ›) chushup qalghini(Windows da) bir
>>>>> chong xataliq, buni biz bayqighan ikenmiz, yene qarap turup xataliq sadir
>>>>> qilsaq bolmaydu.
>>>>> shu uchla herp qoshulidu, esli bar bolghan nersiler ozgermeydu. yene
>>>>> kelip <, >, _ bular Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgiliri emes.
>>>>> shunga mening pikirim mushu 3 herpni choqum qoshush. eger bular
>>>>> qoshulmisa, ishletkuchiler bularni kirguzushte qiyinilidu....
>>>>>
>>>>> Shunga meningche bularning qoshushning zoruriyiti bar dep qaraymen.
>>>>> Keyin yene yamaq selish toghra kelse shu chaghda salsaq bolidu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kunupkini(hazirqi mesile tinish belgiliridila bar) birlikke kelturush
>>>>> ishi 20 yildin beri hel qilinmay kelgen ish, chunki hazirqi kunupka
>>>>> 85-yilila bekitilgen, shu chagdiki xataliq tinish belgiliri her xil
>>>>> orunlashturulghan. emdi yene qachan birlikke kelidu, hech kim bilmeydu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Salam bilen
>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aldi bilen 2-elxettiki so'alingizgha jawab berey. 1-sige heliraq bosh
>>>>>> waqit chiqqanda jawab berey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bu so'alning otturigha chiqidighanliqini burnla bilettim. [?] Toghra,
>>>>>> u halet kunupkisida *China* dep chiqidu (bumu manga ghelite
>>>>>> korun'gen). Bu menigche ashu halet kozniki yaki programmisining ozining
>>>>>> xataliqi yaki bolmisa shundaq layihilen'gen (bu ehtimalliqi towenrek).
>>>>>> Meyli u yerde qandaq korunsun, *XKB ning kunupka taxtiliri choqum
>>>>>> bir doletke tewe bolushi shert* iken (bu muqim qa'ide bolghachqa,
>>>>>> emel qilmisaq bolmaydiken; bu toghriliq Tibetchini qoshqan adashmu
>>>>>> xkb-config ning ezaliri bilen taza talash-tartish qiliptiken:
>>>>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12088). Shunga bu
>>>>>> mesile nowette mushu petiche turup turidu. Emeliyett *English* ke
>>>>>> almashtursingizmu *USA* dep chiqidu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Azraq waqtim bar iken, emdi 1-elxettiki so'alliringizgha jawab
>>>>>> beriwetey. Men mundaq oylighan:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka orunlashturushi meyli qandaqla
>>>>>> bolmisun, u bir emeliyettiki olchem. Bu deginim, bu kunupka taxtisining
>>>>>> wezni Uyghur tor betliridiki herqandaq kunupka taxtiliri (meyli u qanche
>>>>>> toghra yaki aqiliane layihilen'gen bolsun) din eghir, teximu qa'il qilarliq
>>>>>> kuchke ige. Yeni, biz xeqke kunupka taxtimizni ewetkende uni mushuning
>>>>>> olchemlik ikenlige qa'il qildurushimiz kerek, gerche bu olchem sel kona
>>>>>> bolsimu. Toghra, bu kunupka taxtisida heqiqeten mesililer kop, bunisi manga
>>>>>> besh qoldek ayan, chunki menmu eyni waqitta shu munazirilerde bar. Lekin,
>>>>>> bizning u maniziridiki qararlirimiz, layihilirimiz meyli qanche aqilane,
>>>>>> mukemmel bolsun, u beribir hechqandaq olchem orgini yaki nopuzluq
>>>>>> organlarning testiqidin otup, resmiy hojjet supitide elan qilinmidi.
>>>>>> Shunga, men bu yerde yenila Windows 7 diki "olchemlik" kunupka taxtisini
>>>>>> (waqtinche) ishlitip turushni toghra taptim. Bundaq bolghanda, xkb-config
>>>>>> ning ezalirinimu qa'il qildurghili bolidu, shundaqla Linux bilen Windows 7
>>>>>> arisidiki kunupka taxta birdeklini saqlighili bolidu. Emdi mawu yengi
>>>>>> layihe chiqqanda, bu kunupka taxtisigha yamaq salsaqmu yaki yengidin
>>>>>> olchemlik kunupka taxtisi qoshsaqmu bolidu (shu chaghda sozlisekmu gepimiz
>>>>>> chong bolidu, chunki bizning yollighinimiz hemmisi qanunluq, resmiy kunupka
>>>>>> taxtiliri, hergiz ozimizning oydurup chiqiriwalghan oyunchuqi emes). Bunisi
>>>>>> Windows diki kunupka taxtisigha ozgertish qilishqa qarighanda kop asanraq,
>>>>>> shundaq bolsimu choqum qa'idisi bilen, ilmiy ish qilishimiz kerek (XKB ning
>>>>>> Tibetchisimu del Windows Vista diki kunupka taxtisini kochurup ishletken).
>>>>>> Alim Ehed ependimning koz qarishimu mushundaq bolghan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rehmet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yene bir Ekran korunushi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bu qetim Ekranni quluplap(Screen Lock) qilghanda chiqqan koznekni
>>>>>>> ewettim. bu yerdimu China dep korundi.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Essalamuleykum,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uyghurchini ayrim orunlashturghili bolmasmu?
>>>>>>>> chunki men kirguzguchni orunlashturup, Uyghurche kirguzush halitige
>>>>>>>> otsem, kunupka haliti china dep chiqti, Uyghurche dep korunmidi.
>>>>>>>> ekran korunushi(screenshot) ni ewettim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam Abdurahman ependi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Japaliq emgikingiz uchun sizge kop teshekkur.
>>>>>>>>> Bir qanche mesilini otturgha qoymaqchimen:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Otkende Bilik we UKIJ tor betliride siziq heqqide pikirler
>>>>>>>>> bolup, _(pes siziq ) kunupkisigha –(siziq 0x2013) orunlashturush qarar
>>>>>>>>> qilin'ghan idi.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. uningdin bashqa "<"(kichik) bilen ">"(chong) ikki kunupkigha,
>>>>>>>>> Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgilerdin yalang tirnaq "‹"(0x2039) we "›"(0x203a)
>>>>>>>>> ni orunlashturush heqqidimu pikirler bolghan.
>>>>>>>>> mening his qilishimche , kirguzguch yasighuchilar qosh tirnaqni
>>>>>>>>> "«"(0x00ab),"»"(0x00BB) ni bastaxtigha orunlashturushni unutmisimu, yalang
>>>>>>>>> tirnaqni orunlashturushni untup qalidighan ehwal jiq iken.
>>>>>>>>> bu yalang tirnaq heqqidimu bilikte pikirler bolghan idi, shu
>>>>>>>>> boyiche aptor(Muhemmed ependi) buni tuzetken idi, hazirmu bilik we bashqa
>>>>>>>>> muhemmed ependi ishligen kirguzguchni ishlitiwatqan betlerde, buni ongayla
>>>>>>>>> sinap korushke bolidu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Menmu UyghurEdit mushundaq orunlashturghan idim.
>>>>>>>>> meningche mushu uch herpni qoshuwetsingiz, hazirghiche kop
>>>>>>>>> ishlitidighan kirguzguchlerdiki tinish belgiliri oxshash bolghan bolidu.
>>>>>>>>> bumu keyinki olchemleshturushke paydiliq dep qaraymen.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>>>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yaxshimuzler kopchilik,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Otkende men Ubuntu diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisi toghrisida koz
>>>>>>>>>> qarishimni otturigha qoyghan. Shu qetimqi munaziridin keyin, Ubuntu 10.04
>>>>>>>>>> da qoshup tarqitilghan Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini esta'idil bir tekshurup,
>>>>>>>>>> bayqighan mesililerni tuzitip axirida unining XKB nusxisini putturup
>>>>>>>>>> tugettim. Bugun manu shu kunupka tastisini sizlerning tekshurup
>>>>>>>>>> berishinglargha sunmaqchi. Bolsa hemme ezalar oz sistemisida bir sinap
>>>>>>>>>> beqip, mesililer bolsa manga yetkuzse, tuzetkendin keyin yaki mesililer
>>>>>>>>>> bayqalmisa, men xkb-config proyektining ezaliri bilen alaqiliship bu kunupka
>>>>>>>>>> taxtini ular arqiliq Xorg ning XKB bolikige qoshuwetishni oylishiwatimen.
>>>>>>>>>> Bundaq bolghanda, Xorg ni asas qilghan herqandaq *nix sistemilirida,
>>>>>>>>>> hechqandaq 3-chi terep yumshaq detalliri (mesilen, SCIM, Fcitx, IBus
>>>>>>>>>> degendekler) gha tayanmayla, xuddiy US kunupka taxtisini nahayiti asanla
>>>>>>>>>> qoshup ishletkendek, biwasite Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini qoshup ishletkili
>>>>>>>>>> bolidu.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Emdi bu kunupka taxtisi toghrisa bir omumiy chushenche beriwetey:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. Bu kunupka taxtisi Muhemmed Abdulla ependim teminligen
>>>>>>>>>> Uyghurche kunupka taxta asasida ozgertip tuzuldi (munasiwetlik materiyallar
>>>>>>>>>> Yulghun tor bekitiidin elindi).
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Yengi elan qilinmaqchi bolghan olchemlik Uyghurche kunupka
>>>>>>>>>> taxtisi qisqa waqit ichide chiqish entimalliqi yoq bolghachqa (Alim Ehed
>>>>>>>>>> ependimning koz qarisihi), bu kunupka taxtisidiki Uyghurche herplerning
>>>>>>>>>> orunlashturulishi Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisiningki bilen
>>>>>>>>>> oxshash qilip tuzuldi. Emma, XKB ning qa'idisi sewebi, L kunupkisining
>>>>>>>>>> Shift halettiki qimmitige Uyghurche qoshma herp LA orunlashturulmidi.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. Bu kunupka taxtisi Ubuntu 10.04 neshride sinaldi. Bu
>>>>>>>>>> neshride ozgertishke (yaki yamaq selishqa tegishlik) hojjetler tertipi
>>>>>>>>>> bilen:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/cn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml
>>>>>>>>>> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
>>>>>>>>>> /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sinaq qilmaqchi bolghan ezalar qoshumchidiki prislan'ghan 5
>>>>>>>>>> hojjet arqiliq sistemingizdiki mushu 5 hojjetni qaplap kochuruwetsingizla
>>>>>>>>>> bolidu (*sudo* buyruqi bilen meshghulat qilishqa diqqet
>>>>>>>>>> qiling). Ubuntuning kona neshrliri (<=8.10?) "*base*"
>>>>>>>>>> hojjetlerni ishletse, bezi neshrliri (>=9.04?) "*evdev*"
>>>>>>>>>> hojjetlerni ishlitidiken, shunga hemmisini ozgertip qoydum.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. Yuqiridiki qedem orunlinip bolghandin keyin, ustel yuzide
>>>>>>>>>> towendiki basquchlar arqiliq bu Uyghurche taxtisini qozghitimiz:
>>>>>>>>>> 1)* System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts *ni eching;
>>>>>>>>>> 2) *Add* ni besing;
>>>>>>>>>> 3) *By Country *betige kiring (*By Language* betidin
>>>>>>>>>> qoshsingizmu bolidu);
>>>>>>>>>> 4) *Country* tizimlik qutisidin *China* ni tallang;
>>>>>>>>>> 5) *Variants* tizimlik qutisidin *China Uyghur* ni tallang;
>>>>>>>>>> 6) *Add* ni besip jezimleshturung;
>>>>>>>>>> 7) Keyinki koznekte, *Close* ni besip meshghuletni
>>>>>>>>>> axirilashturung.
>>>>>>>>>> 8) Emdi ustel yuzidiki Panel de kunupka taxtisi almashturush
>>>>>>>>>> sinbelgisi korunidu. Ashu sin belgisini chekish yaki birikme kunupkilar
>>>>>>>>>> arqiliq kunupka taxtingizni almashtursingiz bolidu.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. Sinaq jeryanida herqandaq mesile bolsa, mushu elxet
>>>>>>>>>> tizimliki yaki manage biwasite elxet yollang.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rehmet.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>
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>
>
> --
> Gheyret T. Kenji
>
--
Regards,
Abdusalam Abdurahman
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