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[Lewis Donofrio <lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx>]

So if its a chrooted environment using a hal then why do we need fourteen
thousand images?  One should suffice and should even work on my EVO 4G?

--Just wanting to understand more if this is an OS or a Application looking
like an OS.
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Robert Sink <insink71@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Google doesn't release the binary blobs. The manufacturer of respective
> component releases (or in some cases doesn't release) those blobs. Google
> will point you to such download place so you can accept the terms and
> conditions for downloading such (at least for their development devices).
> This is precisely why developers have argued the open sorcery of android...
> and why many devices never made the cut upgrading from gb to ics.
> If you've ever built lfs, you'd recognize the chroot as its own
> environment. So, maybe you call it a rom in lieu of an os.. It is its own
> thing nontheless.
>
> Lewis Donofrio <lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  So long as its sold like that to the people, I just don't call it an
>> operating system like traditional Ubuntu does.
>>
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>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:59 PM, David Hacker <davidhackerdvm@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Is a change root environment that uses that communicates with the
>>> android HAL (hardware abstraction layer) for certain proprietary functions
>>> like audio and media decoding and radio interface
>>>  On Mar 23, 2013 4:50 PM, "Lewis Donofrio" <lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> So how is this application an os?
>>>> On Mar 22, 2013 9:10 PM, "David Hacker" <davidhackerdvm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's been stated many times that in order to support multiple devices
>>>>> the Android HAL is necessary because open source graphics, ril, and audio
>>>>> libraries are not available for many devices.  Even for AOSP google does
>>>>> not release source for those components just binary blobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Lewis Donofrio <
>>>>> lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Real question, when will the need for the android crutch be resolved,
>>>>>> aka native grub and all?
>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013 8:40 AM, "Sergio Schvezov" <
>>>>>> sergio.schvezov@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 02:41:51AM -0700, Christopher Noel Hesse
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > I guess not. Furthermore I assume we already have the latest
>>>>>>> Android 4.2.1
>>>>>>> > codebase from CM-10.1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't do it automatically. If there is a good reason to though as
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>> we upgraded from ICS to JB to get manta support, we will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Actually, upgrading to 4.2.2 wouldn't be that clever, because we
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> > loose the ability to use usb debugging using adb before the first
>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>> > boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are other issues as well, APIs change and it needs to be worth
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> to move there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > The new security handling in 4.2.2 forces you to manually
>>>>>>> whitelist your
>>>>>>> > PC's RSA access key on your device to be able to use the android
>>>>>>> debug
>>>>>>> > bridge.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > It should be possible to disable that annoying security mechanism
>>>>>>> in Ubuntu
>>>>>>> > Touch if we want to upgrade to 4.2.2 though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes and it also requires you to setup for adb root, that is one of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> things we already disable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are blueprints or just talk still about:
>>>>>>> - Figuring out what to do with adb long term in Ubuntu once we are
>>>>>>> on S
>>>>>>> - Changing Android to be in the container and have Ubuntu as the
>>>>>>> main OS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ricardo S, do you have links to these if they already exist?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Sergio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: I like adb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>