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[Christopher Noel Hesse <raymanfx@xxxxxxxxx>]

It's an OS.
Am 24.03.2013 17:13 schrieb "Lewis Donofrio" <lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx>:

> So if its a chrooted environment using a hal then why do we need fourteen
> thousand images?  One should suffice and should even work on my EVO 4G?
>
> --Just wanting to understand more if this is an OS or a Application
> looking like an OS.
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> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Robert Sink <insink71@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Google doesn't release the binary blobs. The manufacturer of respective
>> component releases (or in some cases doesn't release) those blobs. Google
>> will point you to such download place so you can accept the terms and
>> conditions for downloading such (at least for their development devices).
>> This is precisely why developers have argued the open sorcery of android...
>> and why many devices never made the cut upgrading from gb to ics.
>> If you've ever built lfs, you'd recognize the chroot as its own
>> environment. So, maybe you call it a rom in lieu of an os.. It is its own
>> thing nontheless.
>>
>> Lewis Donofrio <lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>  So long as its sold like that to the people, I just don't call it an
>>> operating system like traditional Ubuntu does.
>>>
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>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 5:59 PM, David Hacker <davidhackerdvm@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is a change root environment that uses that communicates with the
>>>> android HAL (hardware abstraction layer) for certain proprietary functions
>>>> like audio and media decoding and radio interface
>>>>  On Mar 23, 2013 4:50 PM, "Lewis Donofrio" <lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So how is this application an os?
>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013 9:10 PM, "David Hacker" <davidhackerdvm@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been stated many times that in order to support multiple devices
>>>>>> the Android HAL is necessary because open source graphics, ril, and audio
>>>>>> libraries are not available for many devices.  Even for AOSP google does
>>>>>> not release source for those components just binary blobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Lewis Donofrio <
>>>>>> lewis.donofrio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Real question, when will the need for the android crutch be
>>>>>>> resolved, aka native grub and all?
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2013 8:40 AM, "Sergio Schvezov" <
>>>>>>> sergio.schvezov@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 02:41:51AM -0700, Christopher Noel Hesse
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > I guess not. Furthermore I assume we already have the latest
>>>>>>>> Android 4.2.1
>>>>>>>> > codebase from CM-10.1.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't do it automatically. If there is a good reason to though
>>>>>>>> as when
>>>>>>>> we upgraded from ICS to JB to get manta support, we will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Actually, upgrading to 4.2.2 wouldn't be that clever, because we
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> > loose the ability to use usb debugging using adb before the first
>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>> > boot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are other issues as well, APIs change and it needs to be
>>>>>>>> worth it
>>>>>>>> to move there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > The new security handling in 4.2.2 forces you to manually
>>>>>>>> whitelist your
>>>>>>>> > PC's RSA access key on your device to be able to use the android
>>>>>>>> debug
>>>>>>>> > bridge.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It should be possible to disable that annoying security mechanism
>>>>>>>> in Ubuntu
>>>>>>>> > Touch if we want to upgrade to 4.2.2 though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes and it also requires you to setup for adb root, that is one of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> things we already disable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are blueprints or just talk still about:
>>>>>>>> - Figuring out what to do with adb long term in Ubuntu once we are
>>>>>>>> on S
>>>>>>>> - Changing Android to be in the container and have Ubuntu as the
>>>>>>>> main OS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ricardo S, do you have links to these if they already exist?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Sergio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: I like adb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
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