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[Josh Leverette <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>]

And the use of Qt/QML for both desktop and mobile development is
commendable. If you want to use separate frameworks, that is a decision to
be made.

Sincerely,
Josh
On Jun 22, 2013 8:30 PM, "Josh Leverette" <coder543@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> QML allowing the business logic to be driven using JavaScript does not in
> any way imply that the UI is based on WebKit, which it very much is not.
> It's a regular ui toolkit like GTK. Even Gnome Shell is written in
> JavaScript, but it isn't HTML or anything. Chromium will be the default
> browser on Ubuntu, henceforth, as I understand it. WebKit on mobile and
> desktop then. Firefox is still not proven to be any better than WebKit
> based browsers for general browsing, so I'm ignoring that assertion.
> Logically, the Ubuntu touch mail client will likely replace Evolution by
> Ubuntu 14.04. Hopefully this addresses some of the questions you may have,
> but things may not pan out exactly like this, of course.
>
> Sincerely,
> Josh
> On Jun 22, 2013 8:22 PM, "Luke Bryan" <luke32j@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>
>> I would really like to see Ubuntu on phones succeed, but if the main
>> phone interface is apps interfacing with the system with javascript on
>> webkit, I wonder how is this much different than going the way of webOS?
>> From what I understand, there will now be *three* different platforms in
>> the near future that are basically javascript + chrome-privileged code
>> javascript: webOS, Ubuntu+QML, and Firefox OS.
>>
>> Add to this the confusion of using the standard GTK+ Python/C
>> applications for the desktop when plugged into a screen, but *not* using
>> it for mobile, would seem to be the opposite of "Unity". Will Ubuntu-phone
>> have Firefox as the default desktop browser, but a separate webkit browser
>> when you unplug it from keyboard and monitor? Evolution/Thunderbird mail
>> when in desktop mode, but a completely different client when mobile? Maybe
>> I'm misunderstanding the development model of Ubuntu-touch, I certainly
>> hope this would not be the case.
>>
>> I see why Webkit might be considered the best in some circumstances,
>> considering the integrations into GTK, QT, & others. I have written an app
>> embedding a webkit view as the main panel in GTK, it works well, but
>> Firefox is still (in most cases) the best general web browser, and the
>> default on Ubuntu. I do hope this won't lead to more fragmentation of
>> Linux, even within Ubuntu.
>>
>> best wishes
>> Luke
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:38:43 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] browser does not support webgl
>> From: larsgk@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: luke32j@xxxxxxx
>> CC: coder543@xxxxxxxxx; ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> WebKit (and now Blink) cover >85% of the mobile browser use - while
>> Firefox seems to be slightly lower (0.01% .. maybe not 100% accurate - but
>> pretty far from WebKit in usage %'age)
>>
>> 1. Any mobile WebApps developer today will target iOS and Android first.
>>  Having a technology that is sharing the code base (qtwebkit) gives a good
>> starting point to make sure webapps are also compatible with Ubuntu Phone
>> 2. Firefox with their upcoming "FirefoxOS" seem to be pushing a LOT of
>> specs - and not all of them make sense .. but they have to be ready for
>> launch (it seems) so there is not much time to "waste" taking a holistic
>> look at the specs to see if they all make sense.  You can be sure that both
>> WebKit/Apple and Blink/Google will *not* blindly implement these things if
>> they don't make 100% sense to them.
>>
>> I also like Firefox - and it's nice with competition .. but it would not
>> make much sense to select FF as the primary web platform on an OS that
>> *also* has to prove itself with the operators and phone manufacturers
>> before any kind of market penetration can happen.  Selecting WebKit (and
>> potentially Blink later - depends on how that develops) as the base of the
>> core web engine (browser and webview for dedicated apps) over FF can't have
>> been a hard choice to make for Ubuntu ;)
>>
>> br
>> Lars
>>
>> For reference:
>>
>> Mobile/Tablet Browser Market Share (source:
>> http://www.netmarketshare.com/)
>> May, 2013
>> Browser Total Market Share
>> Safari 59.98%
>> Android Browser 20.73%
>> Opera Mini 10.53%
>> Chrome 3.22%
>> Microsoft Internet Explorer 1.97%
>> BlackBerry 1.02%
>> Proprietary or Undetectable 0.52%
>> Symbian 0.50%
>> Opera Mobile 0.40%
>> Opera 0.14%
>> ACCESS NetFront 0.06%
>> Mozilla 0.01%
>> Firefox 0.01%
>> Obigo 0.01%
>> Microsoft Pocket Internet Explorer 0.00%
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Luke Bryan <luke32j@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> In my opinion webkit would be a fairly buggy base for a JS+QML interface.
>> Even the jQuery folks have said there are more workarounds in their code
>> for odd webkit behavior than other browsers. Mozilla technology is already
>> making great leaps in the os integration area (Boot2gecko, asm.js which
>> optimizes js up to around half the speed of native), which would be very
>> beneficial in a web/javascript app-centered OS.
>>
>> I do hope Ubuntu phone will be able to run Firefox, or at least the
>> Android version of Firefox?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Luke
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:06:27 -0500
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] browser does not support webgl
>> From: coder543@xxxxxxxxx
>> To: luke32j@xxxxxxx
>> CC: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> WebKit is rapidly becoming the standard for the internet, and I'm not
>> sure what quirks you're talking about. However, if they're developing their
>> own browser, then by definition it cannot be Firefox. If someone develops
>> an alternative browser, nothing will stop you from using it.
>>
>> Right now, no one offers Firefox for mobile through the Ubuntu UI, so
>> making it even optional would prove to be extremely difficult.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Josh
>>  Please don't tell me default web browser is webkit?
>> Won't Firefox be default, or at least have an option to install Firefox
>> on the Ubuntu-phone, like the desktop Ubuntu? I've had enough experiences
>> trying to track down weird webkit quirks that I would prefer not to use it
>> exclusively on a phone.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Luke
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 18:25:59 -0400
>> From: pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] browser does not support webgl
>>
>> On 06/20/2013 05:07 PM, Zisu Andrei wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure webkit linux supports webgl.
>>
>>  Zisu Andrei
>>
>> This report seems pertinent, will look into it further.
>> Pat
>> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-30405
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 June 2013 20:39, Wim de Vries <wsvries@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Just tested the Web browser on WebGL ... no support.
>> Is there a reason for this?
>> I would say a basic feature for mobiles.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
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