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[Robert Schroll <rschroll@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the explanation!

Just to make sure I've got it: devel isn't actually dangerous right now 
-- it's just not going to get any love until devel-proposed manages to 
stabilize.  rc-proposed is available, but under the "If it breaks, you 
get both halves" warranty.

I'm speaking from a position of complete ignorance here, but: Is there 
that much of a chance that an image that works on mako will fail on 
manta or flo?  I would assume that most of the driver issues have been 
worked out, and most of the updates for these machines would be "pure" 
software.  If so, what about promoting images for manta and flo once 
they've passed QA on mako?  Obviously you can't control for unknown 
unknowns, but it seems that this should be significantly safer than a 
-proposed channel.  Obviously, we'd make it clear that these images 
aren't guaranteed in the same way those for mako are, and maybe this 
should only happen for rc, not stable, but I think it would be a nice 
intermediate between the working-but-old devel and new-but-maybe-broken 
rc-proposed.

Or maybe I'm completely wrong.

Thanks,
Robert


On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 4:26 AM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak 
<lukasz.zemczak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> W dniu 14.08.2015 o 03:53, Robert Schroll pisze:
> >  On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
> >  <lukasz.zemczak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >  Please DO NOT use the devel/devel-proposed channels for your 
> > > phones if
> > >  not needed.
> >
> >  Perhaps then we should stop recommending devel for those wishing to
> >  "track the latest development" on developer.ubunutu.com [1]?  
> > Although
> >  devel hasn't been updated in four months, so maybe that's supposed 
> > to be
> >  self-evident.
>
> Although what is written there is partially true, I will try to update
> it with more details so it's evident how the real situation looks 
> like.
>
> > >   This means
> > >  that all the feature development actually happens on the 
> > > vivid-based
> > >  channels, e.g. stable, rc and rc-proposed.
> >
> >  Neither stable or rc have images for manta or flo.  Should we be on
> >  rc-proposed, or would it be better to stay on the (stale) devel 
> > channel?
>
> The concept was that flo and manta are supported for promotion into 
> the
> devel channels, while the rc set only focuses on the devices we have
> time to support with full force. We didn't have time or resources to 
> do
> a devel promotion for a long time and now - and seeing the current 
> state
> of wily touch, I would suppose we won't have one in the nearest time.
>
> The main issue is of course time. With really limited resources we do
> not have the man-power for taking care of so many devices. I think we
> might need to re-visit which channels should be recommended and
> supported for the flo and manta devices anyway.
>
> What would I propose? I wouldn't want to give wrong hints here as I 
> have
> no idea what's the state of flo on rc-proposed, but that channel at
> least gets developer focus. This developer focus is mainly for krillin
> arale and mako, but still better than nothing.
>
> > >  This might sound a bit strong but we simply don't want users to 
> > > get the
> > >  wrong impression by using the wrong channels.
> >
> >  When I asked four months ago about flo, I was specifically told to 
> > use
> >  devel.  Was that wrong at the time, or did things change?  Was 
> > there an
> >  announcement of the change?  If this is such a concern, the
> >  documentation [1] really ought to be updated.
>
> The situation with flo and manta is a bit more complicated. The 
> warning
> I sent out in my landing e-mail was more about the many stories of 
> users
> switching their mako, arale and krillin devices to devel-proposed to 
> get
> 'the latest of the latest', wheres this in this channel it's not
> entirely true.
>
> All in all - the flo and manta situations need to be resolved. I will
> bring it up with the product team and see what we can do about the
> current situation.
>
> >  Robert
> >
> >  [1]
> >  
> > https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/, 
> > section
> >  "Channel selection guide"
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak
>  Foundations Team
>  lukasz.zemczak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  www.canonical.com