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[Tony Espy <espy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 04/22/2016 11:58 AM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote:
> Hey Tony!
>
> We were considering that as well, but there are a few reasons we do not
> want to do that. If we wanted to move to 16.10 instead of 16.04 we would
> need to wait at least 6 more months for the switch to happen since we
> *must* base on a released version. It's not acceptable to do it before
> the series is fully released - we did that in the 14.09 times and it was
> one of the worst ideas and experiences we had.
>
> Waiting 6+ months to do a baseline switch is too long, we already
> stretch vivid's possibilities - being that the main series is already EOL.

Sure, as long as we're aware that we'll probably end up with more 
packages in the overlay re-basing on xenial ( vs. x+1 ) as the barrier 
to SRU'ing packages for 16.04 is a bit higher than landing the same 
changes in a development release.

That said, I understand the trade-off re: having to wait yet another six 
months, and the risks of using a "pre-release" version.

Regards,
/tony

> Cheers,
>
> W dniu 22.04.2016 o 17:47, Tony Espy pisze:
> > On 04/22/2016 11:01 AM, Pat McGowan wrote:
> > > meant to send to the list
> >
> > Pat --
> >
> > Can you comment on whether consideration of moving to 16.10 is a
> > possibility vs. 16.04 (xenial)?
> >
> > Regards,
> > /tony
> >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: *Pat McGowan* <pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > <mailto:pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:52 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Xenial for Ubuntu Phone?
> > > To: Filip Dorosz <filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > <mailto:filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > >
> > >
> > > No, the move to Xenial will not include a transition to Snappy, this is
> > > a longer term work effort which we are also actively planning. We are
> > > working with the snappy team on issues unique to ubuntu-personal (which
> > > will be the basis for the phone) which are a superset of the problem
> > > space compared to ubuntu-core.
> > >
> > > As Lukasz mentioned going to Xenial requires us to have a well thought
> > > through migration path for apps/scopes and we will communicate much more
> > > on this and work with developers as the plans get finalized.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Pat
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Filip Dorosz
> > > <filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >      Hi Łukasz.
> > >
> > >      When the Phone move to Xenial will it also be Snappy based finally?
> > >
> > >      Regards,
> > >      Filip Dorosz
> > >
> > >      W dniu 22.04.2016 o 11:41, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak pisze:
> > >
> > >          Hello Bob!
> > >
> > >          W dniu 22.04.2016 o 01:23, Bob Summerwill pisze:
> > >
> > >              So Xenial has been released :-)
> > >
> > >              My apologies if this has already been addressed, but what is
> > >              the planned
> > >              schedule for Xenial arriving for Ubuntu Phone devices?
> > >
> > >              I have been using a Meizu MX4 as my primary phone for the
> > >              last few months,
> > >              and I just took delivery of a BQ Aquarius M10 tablet and am
> > >              setting it up
> > >              right now.   Woohoo!
> > >
> > >              Both my devices are currently on Vivid 15.04 (OTA 10.1).
> > >
> > >              What is the Xenial transition plan for these official
> > >              devices?    Best
> > >              wishes!
> > >
> > >
> > >          As already mentioned in a few landing e-mails, the baseline
> > >          switch from
> > >          vivid to xenial is our near-term plan for stable channels. But
> > >          please
> > >          remember that it's not an easy task. When we were switching our
> > >          baseline
> > >          from 14.09 (ubuntu-rtm) to 15.04 long time ago it took us a few
> > >          months
> > >          to stabilize the phone again. With xenial introducing the g++
> > >          ABI break
> > >          (and a few other nuances), the whole process could take even
> > > longer
> > >          since there's more things we need to consider during the switch.
> > >
> > >          The most difficult part is that we can't only concentrate on one
> > >          front,
> > >          meaning: we can't just drop everything and just work on getting
> > >          xenial
> > >          (devel-proposed) into working shape as our current focus needs
> > >          to be on
> > >          the stable devices (vivid-overlay). That being said, we will be
> > >          preparing something similar to a 'task force' that will be
> > >          taking care
> > >          of moving the xenial initiative forward. It's really hard to
> > >          give a firm
> > >          schedule here - with this we still need to wait a bit.
> > >
> > >          All this means the next few OTAs will still be vivid-based
> > > with our
> > >          development focus on vivid, but then we intend to switch to
> > >          xenial for
> > >          future devices.
> > >
> > >
> > >              I am on the waiting list for Meizu MX5 PRO as well, as my
> > >              next phone.
> > >
> > >
> > >              Cheers,
> > >              Bob Summerwill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >          Cheers,
> > >
> > >
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