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[Bob Summerwill <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the updates, everyone!

>> But please remember that it's not an easy task.
>> When we were switching our baseline from 14.09 (ubuntu-rtm) to 15.04
>> long time ago it took us a few months to stabilize the phone again.

For sure.   It's a very serious undertaking.

A task force is eminently reasonable.    I was just a little out of the
loop on whether or not there was an existing plan, and whether or not
"scouting" was already underway.


>> With xenial introducing the g++ ABI break (and a few other nuances), the
>> whole process could take even longer since there's more things we need
>> to consider during the switch.

Yes.

I've seen the ripples of that g++ ABI break impacting Ethereum developers
based on ArchLinux, who are obviously ahead of the curve on that.   Having
to triage your way through all your pre-built binaries is not a joyful task.

Best wishes, everyone.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Tony Espy <espy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 04/22/2016 11:58 AM, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak wrote:
>
>> Hey Tony!
>>
>> We were considering that as well, but there are a few reasons we do not
>> want to do that. If we wanted to move to 16.10 instead of 16.04 we would
>> need to wait at least 6 more months for the switch to happen since we
>> *must* base on a released version. It's not acceptable to do it before
>> the series is fully released - we did that in the 14.09 times and it was
>> one of the worst ideas and experiences we had.
>>
>> Waiting 6+ months to do a baseline switch is too long, we already
>> stretch vivid's possibilities - being that the main series is already EOL.
>>
>
> Sure, as long as we're aware that we'll probably end up with more packages
> in the overlay re-basing on xenial ( vs. x+1 ) as the barrier to SRU'ing
> packages for 16.04 is a bit higher than landing the same changes in a
> development release.
>
> That said, I understand the trade-off re: having to wait yet another six
> months, and the risks of using a "pre-release" version.
>
> Regards,
> /tony
>
>
> Cheers,
>>
>> W dniu 22.04.2016 o 17:47, Tony Espy pisze:
>>
>>> On 04/22/2016 11:01 AM, Pat McGowan wrote:
>>>
>>>> meant to send to the list
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pat --
>>>
>>> Can you comment on whether consideration of moving to 16.10 is a
>>> possibility vs. 16.04 (xenial)?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> /tony
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: *Pat McGowan* <pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Xenial for Ubuntu Phone?
>>>> To: Filip Dorosz <filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the move to Xenial will not include a transition to Snappy, this is
>>>> a longer term work effort which we are also actively planning. We are
>>>> working with the snappy team on issues unique to ubuntu-personal (which
>>>> will be the basis for the phone) which are a superset of the problem
>>>> space compared to ubuntu-core.
>>>>
>>>> As Lukasz mentioned going to Xenial requires us to have a well thought
>>>> through migration path for apps/scopes and we will communicate much more
>>>> on this and work with developers as the plans get finalized.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Filip Dorosz
>>>> <filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:filip.dorosz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      Hi Łukasz.
>>>>
>>>>      When the Phone move to Xenial will it also be Snappy based finally?
>>>>
>>>>      Regards,
>>>>      Filip Dorosz
>>>>
>>>>      W dniu 22.04.2016 o 11:41, Łukasz 'sil2100' Zemczak pisze:
>>>>
>>>>          Hello Bob!
>>>>
>>>>          W dniu 22.04.2016 o 01:23, Bob Summerwill pisze:
>>>>
>>>>              So Xenial has been released :-)
>>>>
>>>>              My apologies if this has already been addressed, but what
>>>> is
>>>>              the planned
>>>>              schedule for Xenial arriving for Ubuntu Phone devices?
>>>>
>>>>              I have been using a Meizu MX4 as my primary phone for the
>>>>              last few months,
>>>>              and I just took delivery of a BQ Aquarius M10 tablet and am
>>>>              setting it up
>>>>              right now.   Woohoo!
>>>>
>>>>              Both my devices are currently on Vivid 15.04 (OTA 10.1).
>>>>
>>>>              What is the Xenial transition plan for these official
>>>>              devices?    Best
>>>>              wishes!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          As already mentioned in a few landing e-mails, the baseline
>>>>          switch from
>>>>          vivid to xenial is our near-term plan for stable channels. But
>>>>          please
>>>>          remember that it's not an easy task. When we were switching our
>>>>          baseline
>>>>          from 14.09 (ubuntu-rtm) to 15.04 long time ago it took us a few
>>>>          months
>>>>          to stabilize the phone again. With xenial introducing the g++
>>>>          ABI break
>>>>          (and a few other nuances), the whole process could take even
>>>> longer
>>>>          since there's more things we need to consider during the
>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>>          The most difficult part is that we can't only concentrate on
>>>> one
>>>>          front,
>>>>          meaning: we can't just drop everything and just work on getting
>>>>          xenial
>>>>          (devel-proposed) into working shape as our current focus needs
>>>>          to be on
>>>>          the stable devices (vivid-overlay). That being said, we will be
>>>>          preparing something similar to a 'task force' that will be
>>>>          taking care
>>>>          of moving the xenial initiative forward. It's really hard to
>>>>          give a firm
>>>>          schedule here - with this we still need to wait a bit.
>>>>
>>>>          All this means the next few OTAs will still be vivid-based
>>>> with our
>>>>          development focus on vivid, but then we intend to switch to
>>>>          xenial for
>>>>          future devices.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>              I am on the waiting list for Meizu MX5 PRO as well, as my
>>>>              next phone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>              Cheers,
>>>>              Bob Summerwill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
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