ubuntu-phone team mailing list archive

[Mike Sheldon <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Peter,

 I believe that a system similar to what you're asking for is already
under development in the form of the messaging framework:

https://code.launchpad.net/messaging-framework

 I think there are similar plans for VoIP as well. Pretty much
everyone's on holiday now but if you give me (Elleo) a ping on IRC in
the new year I can try to put you in touch with the folks working on so
you can share your thoughts on it with them.

Cheers,
 Mike

On Sat, 2016-12-24 at 09:05 +0100, Peter Bittner wrote:
> I think it takes more than "fixing bugs" to make a successful phone
> platform. I've proposed a solution to a problem that a lot of people
> face, presumably, today in a world of hectic chatting and information
> exchange [1]. Sadly, not a single comment from a single Canonical
> employee on it, even though it has a few votes, so there is general
> interest.
> 
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtubuntu/+bug/1627747
> 
> It feels like Canonical has gone back to do what they love to do:
> Make
> good user experience for an operating system. A system that boots up
> faster than any Linux before and has a desktop manager that feels
> good, because it has elements borrowed from OS X and other nice
> goodies. This is just not the same as "we do something that no-one
> has
> done before". It's probably a people problem: Canonical can do things
> well only where they have proven they're good at for years.
> 
> The problem I see with "the community should do the rest" is that
> coming up with such a central decision of building an infrastructure
> for communication exchange (as in my proposal) is a big and risky
> endeavor: All the effort you put in would be for nothing with a
> Canonical saying "we're not interested" or a Canonical not responding
> at all. Felipe De La Puente has written in another thread [2] that
> communication plugins should build on Telepathy. But clearly,
> Canonical should take the lead, make implementing plugins
> super-straightforward and promote it, so larger companies listen up.
> Make it a hype. Just like they do for Snappy.
> 
> [2] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg22870.html
> 
> I really want Ubuntu Touch, or Personal - or whatever.
> 
> I used to show off my bq Aquaris E5 to everyone, but I figured it was
> limiting me too much in getting my daily endeavors done. Just a Gmail
> web app and and finally a working calendar is just not enough. If
> there were "convergence" in the sense of "my browser shares its
> settings, bookmarks, passwords, ... with my desktop" and an easy,
> built-in way of setting up file synchronization with my desktop
> machine that would be something to help me feel being helped in
> getting my business done.
> 
> Now I have an ugly, pretty slow Android system on my bq Anquaris E5
> that does all the things that help me feel connected (I need to use
> Slack, not Telegram, I have to use that horribly distracting WhatsApp
> even though I hate it as hell, and it's friggin' helpful to use a
> working video telephony on my phone, damn!, with whatever platform -
> Hangouts, Viber, Skype, Slack, you name it). The Android UI is
> horrible, ugly, and quite slow. And apps are crap, many of them
> bloated with ads. It makes my bq feel more a "plastic device" than it
> was with Ubuntu. I really really do NOT want Ubuntu to be such a
> platform, with a shedload of apps you constantly have to switch from
> and to, back and forth. Apps are stupid, get over it.
> 
> I'm checking regularly on the Ubuntu Phone mailing list if there is
> some progress that makes me confident to make the switch back, but
> nothing. Not even a new phone on the horizon, no vision any more, all
> faded away. Just advertising for "please repackage your webapps with
> Snappy". Oh great, I feel so empowered (yawn). Canonical really makes
> me sad.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 2016-11-19 14:09 GMT+01:00 Felipe De La Puente <fdelapuente@xxxxxxxxx
> >:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I would say that the currently expected way to achieve this is by
> > implementing telepathy plugins, and may be in the future the
> > platform could
> > be opened to be user configurable with respect of which plugins it
> > uses for
> > different types of communication (text, voice, video). Of course
> > this allows
> > for multiple alternatives for each communication type, setting
> > priorities
> > and so on.
> > 
> > Right now, the standard telephony voice data flows through the
> > ofono plugin
> > of telepathy.
> 
> 2016-12-16 6:50 GMT+01:00 mark <j.m.holmes@xxxxxx>:
> > 
> > Hi
> > 
> > All the narrative surrounding convergence has been about one code
> > for all
> > devices: so developments in one area supposedly improves the
> > experience in
> > all areas. I realize that convergence hasn't quite happened yet,
> > and that so
> > far, seemingly Touch has been doing its own thing, but surely,
> > tantalizingly, we're on the cusp of it with core and snaps: i.e.
> > there's
> > going to be a new protocol for the phone (desktop etc) soon. But
> > more than
> > that: so long as Canonical continue with convergence, the phone
> > (and
> > everything else) will always be part of it.
> > 
> > i.m.o. Bryan Lunduke is an agent provocoteur: all he wanted last
> > Christmas
> > was a truly Linux tablet, which he thought he'd never see. Well,
> > that
> > arrived literally a few weeks after his post in the form of the
> > M10. :/
> > 
> > f.w.i.w My predictions for Ubuntu phone in 2016: Core and Snaps.
> > New devices
> > from OEMs. Perhaps a more easily portable system. And maybe other
> > flavours
> > of UT.
> > 
> > 
> > m
> > 
> > 
> > On 15/12/16 12:38, advocatux wrote:
> > 
> > Dear Ubuntu Developers & Supporters, first of all thank you for
> > your work.
> > Also Happy Holidays, and Happy New Year.
> > 
> > I do think this is the perfect time to talk about Ubuntu Phone (UP)
> > and its
> > next future.
> > 
> > Mark Suttleworth said in May UP is not in the main focus, and that
> > his daily
> > phone is not UP [0], but I don't interpreted it as far as Bryan
> > Lunduke
> > (Social Media Marketing Manager of SUSE) does, when talking about
> > his 2016
> > predictions [1]:
> > 
> > "(Prediction for 2016) Canonical will pull away from phones.
> > 
> > Canonical/Ubuntu pulling away from the phone market? This is a hard
> > one to
> > measure.
> > 
> > Wait. No, it’s not.
> > 
> > The last press release from Canonical that was phone-related was
> > back in
> > April. And the main press page for Canonical doesn’t list a single
> > thing
> > about phones. The last several announcements from Canonical have
> > been very
> > enterprise-centric. Even in the lead up to the holiday shopping
> > season, not
> > a peep about phones.
> > 
> > Nailed it. Canonical pulled away from phones during 2016 in order
> > to focus
> > on enterprise functionality."
> > 
> > 
> > Personally, I simply do think is just a question of time, and I
> > have great
> > faith in the UP project.
> > 
> > So Dear Devs, what's the plan for 2017? How can we help to speed up
> > Ubuntu
> > Phone development? What can we do to get UP to play in the "First
> > Division"?
> > 
> > Regards.
> > 
> > --
> > advocatux
> > 
> > 
> > [0]
> > http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/05/mark-shuttle-worth-talks-ubuntu-
> > phone-snappy
> > 
> > [1]
> > http://www.networkworld.com/article/3145664/linux/2016-linux-predic
> > tions-which-ones-came-true.html