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That's the way how open source work. Many little communities (to trust) 
instead of one big company (to trust).

Benno-007, German Ubuntu Touch wiki supporter

Am Sonntag, 16. April 2017 15:47:53 CEST schrieb NeoTheThird 
<neo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi,
>
> i can't wipe away your allegations, but i can try to put them in 
> perspective.
>
>
> You have a point there. Ubuntu Touch is very unstable in many areas and 
> that will have to change. Our target audience are Linux users and that 
> won't change for the foreseeable future. If your grandmother doesn't 
> know how to bring up a terminal and execute a script to flash her 
> device, Ubuntu Touch is not for her. UBports only has a very small team 
> of volunteer developers, so marketing to Dorothy Default and Gabe 
> Generic does not make sense right now, it would just cause confusion and 
> disappointment. It's not feasible to make something for everyone without 
> a large team and lots of funding, at least not right now. Remember the 
> early days of Android? Then you know what i'm talking about. Ubuntu 
> Touch devices being sold to consumers too early is one of the reasons 
> why this project did not take off as planned. I agree with you there: UT 
> needs *a lot* of polish and testing. Calling, SMS, WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS 
> and AGPS, essential apps - those are all on our to-do list. We won't get 
> it stable until tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. So until it's really 
> really good, we're targeting the nerds.
>
> About that russian hacker comment: You can't be sure, i could be lying 
> to your face right now. Remember that UBports was already a thing before 
> Canonical ditched Ubuntu Touch. There are devices running our images out 
> there right now, so we could already be back-dooring a lot of devices, 
> maybe even yours. I like your shirt, btw, but you really need to clean 
> your apartment.
>
> The thing is: It would not make sense to put all the effort of 
> integrating back-doors in such a niche OS. Vault 7 shows that there are 
> back-doors in many Devices at a layer below the Kernel, so why would we 
> even bother? Also, it's all free software, so all the code (except the 
> hardware enablement blobs that are not written by us but by the device 
> manufacturers) can be checked by third parties and the risk of getting 
> caught spying on people is pretty high.
>
> No, seriously, you have a point. We understand that it might be 
> difficult for many people to put there trust in a project run by some 
> random nerds from the Internet. But we're trying to be as transparent as 
> possible. All code that ships is open source. We try to answer all the 
> questions in our bi-weekly Community Q&A 
> (https://blog.ubports.com/2017/04/15/community-qa.html). We share our 
> financial details with our Patreon supporters (Except the 10 Million 
> rubels we recieve from the KGB each month of course).
>
>
> I hope that answers some of your questions. If you have any suggestions 
> how we can improve transparency and accountability, feel free to raise 
> your voice.
>
> All the best,
>
> Jan Sprinz, aka. NeoTheThird, community manager at UBports
>
>
> On 16.04.2017 14:40, Marcin Xc wrote:
> > Money is not enough. I think this project died for the same reason as 
> > Ubuntu Edge did: poor organization and managing skills. Programing 
> > consist of a few levels. Some people here seem to completely ignored 
> > them. Someone just wakes up and says "hey, I have an idea: 
> > convergence" ignoring the very basics that would let the idea grow.
> > I wrote it already once: I wouldn't invest a penny in a project 
> > without clean rules. These rules would be:
> >
> > 1. Ringing, reliable phone with sms, offline/google independent 
> > contact synchronization, alarm clock FOR EVERYONE (also my daughter, 
> > Mother, G-mother, not only for a geek) just like this one: 
> > http://www.computerbild.de/artikel/cb-News-Handy-Nokia-3310-Remake-17350321.html
> >
> > 1a. testing
> > 2. Bluetooth, wifi, etc, etc
> > 2a testing
> > 3. Additional apps + convergence
> >
> > I would invest in a project like this.^
> >
> > We should have right from the start a reliable device which would 
> > grow. What happened was development of fully unreliable device.
> >
> > I will not invest neither my time nor money in a project developed by 
> > people who wake up and code. Try to use "Activity Tracker" on UT if 
> > You want to know what I mean. Full respect for a developer... who 
> > wasted his time because of UT system policies.
> >
> > Now if the project is not traded through Canonical brand I'm not sure 
> > if one of You will not be a Russian hacker - doing a perfect work but 
> > backdooring devices. Or even if not perhaps again through people 
> > filled with passion but going different ways. Give me the reason to 
> > support this behaviour?
> >
> > How wil You brush aside my allegations?
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > GTriderXC
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Vincas Dargis <vindrg@xxxxxxxxx>
> > *To:* ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:34 AM
> > *Subject:* [Ubuntu-phone] Idea: consider crowdfunding UBports project
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am user of BQ Aquaris E5, which is my actually first ever smart 
> > phone, and I am deeply saddened that Canonical had to
> > end Ubuntu Phone project. I am very thankful for them for creating 
> > this awesome, free operating system for smart phones,
> > with convergence with Desktop, which I am really not ready to leave it 
> > in the drawer. Big thanks to them!
> >
> > I have discovered that UBports project, which is continuing Ubuntu 
> > Phone developing, has Patreon site [0] to collect
> > funds for it's development, and for the main goal they set to have 
> > full time developer working on system we love.
> >
> > I am encouraging you to consider funding UBports by becoming patreons 
> > to help them continue Ubuntu Phone development.
> >
> > There are actually lot's of free software projects and their 
> > supporting organizations that needs our money too, may it
> > be Debian and Ubuntu, or maybe Free Software, Document and Linux 
> > Foundations, but these mentioned have already their
> > stones set, meanwhile UBports really needs a kickstart (pun intended? 
> > :-) ).
> >
> > Thanks for hearing.
> >
> > [0] https://www.patreon.com/ubports/posts
> >
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