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[HAORANSKY <haoransky@xxxxxxxxx>]

>
> Out of curiosity, do you think that there is any value to letting users
>> mark revisions which they care about and want to be saved forever? I'd also
>> be curious to know how many people would like documents to /always/ be
>> autosaved across the desktop.
>>
> Yes, there's definitely great value in this feature, but that's just my
point of view.


 Can you show us what to expect in the near future or what is on the
>> todo-list so we can avoid giving out redundant ideas?[?]
>>
> Sorry, you'll have to ask Eliot about that. I'm just a student who isn't
> affiliated with Ubuntu One or Canonical in any way.

Doh, forgot to add devs somewhere in that sentence..


On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Natan Yellin <aantny@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM, HAORANSKY <haoransky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Sorry to interrupt and squeeze in here,[?]:
>> As of what I think about the issue, just keep most recent revisions is
>> fine, and as Elliot state above, sharing folder could work, and it's
>> actually better than a group account(it can keep track of which group member
>> changed which file).
>
>  Out of curiosity, do you think that there is any value to letting users
>>>>> mark revisions which they care about and want to be saved forever? I'd also
>>>>> be curious to know how many people would like documents to /always/ be
>>>>> autosaved across the desktop.
>>>>>
>>>>
>> Can you show us what to expect in the near future or what is on the
>> todo-list so we can avoid giving out redundant ideas?[?]
>>
> Sorry, you'll have to ask Eliot about that. I'm just a student who isn't
> affiliated with Ubuntu One or Canonical in any way.
>
> Regards,
> Natan
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Natan Yellin <aantny@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steve Alexander <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Yes, implementing a "Human" DCVS isn't easy. Dropbox, Apple's Time
>>>>> Machine, and several other projects have all /tried/ to to do so, but as far
>>>>> as I can tell they haven't succeeded. (It's gotten to the point where
>>>>> Dropbox decided that it just wasn't worth keeping file-revisions and now
>>>>> deletes revisions more than one month old. I haven't heard anyone complain,
>>>>> so I doubt that the feature was at all popular.) Both Dropbox and Time
>>>>> Machine remember small one-line edits that no one cares about. Its been
>>>>> impossible to create a "Human" GUI for viewing revisions because there are
>>>>> just too darn many revisions to be viewed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure that Dropbox want to keep their user interfaces simple and
>>>> intuitive, and this will be part of why their system works like this.
>>>> There's an economic driver for this too, and I think this is very
>>>> significant.
>>>>
>>>> Dropbox wants to sell 50GB of file storage at $10 per month.  That's a
>>>> flat rate for a bunch of storage.
>>>>
>>>> They will be banking on most of their customers using only a fraction of
>>>> the full amount of available storage, because Dropbox is a cloud-based
>>>> service using Amazon S3, and so they will pay for only what users use, not
>>>> the full amount they are offering to users.
>>>>
>>>> There's a problem with this approach if they are also offering to keep
>>>> revisions indefinitely, or just remove revisions when the quota gets full.
>>>>  The problem is, over time, most users will be using the full 50GB. part for
>>>> "live" data and the rest for historical revisions.
>>>>
>>>> It costs Dropbox about the same amount to store a historical revision as
>>>> it costs to store current revision of some files.  But the value to the user
>>>> is totally different.  So, they will want keep only the most valuable
>>>> revisions, and remove the rest.  I guess that's why they've come up with
>>>> this particular policy of removing older revisions automatically.
>>>>
>>> Exactly. My point wasn't that it makes economic sense to keep all
>>> revisions (it doesn't, as you pointed out) but rather that users don't even
>>> /want/ to keep all revisions. However, by contrast, keeping specific
>>> revisions (marked by users) is both cheep and useful.
>>>
>>> You have a good point that it also makes sense to keep recent revisions.
>>> People can use those in case they accidentally delete/change something they
>>> need.
>>>
>>> Natan
>>>
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