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[Natan Yellin <aantny@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:39 PM, HAORANSKY <haoransky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Out of curiosity, do you think that there is any value to letting users
>>> mark revisions which they care about and want to be saved forever? I'd also
>>> be curious to know how many people would like documents to /always/ be
>>> autosaved across the desktop.
>>>
>> Yes, there's definitely great value in this feature, but that's just my
> point of view.
>
Ok, thank you.

>
>
>  Can you show us what to expect in the near future or what is on the
>>> todo-list so we can avoid giving out redundant ideas?[?]
>>>
>> Sorry, you'll have to ask Eliot about that. I'm just a student who isn't
>> affiliated with Ubuntu One or Canonical in any way.
>
> Doh, forgot to add devs somewhere in that sentence..
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Natan Yellin <aantny@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 3:23 PM, HAORANSKY <haoransky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt and squeeze in here,[?]:
>>> As of what I think about the issue, just keep most recent revisions is
>>> fine, and as Elliot state above, sharing folder could work, and it's
>>> actually better than a group account(it can keep track of which group member
>>> changed which file).
>>
>>  Out of curiosity, do you think that there is any value to letting users
>>>>>> mark revisions which they care about and want to be saved forever? I'd also
>>>>>> be curious to know how many people would like documents to /always/ be
>>>>>> autosaved across the desktop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Can you show us what to expect in the near future or what is on the
>>> todo-list so we can avoid giving out redundant ideas?[?]
>>>
>> Sorry, you'll have to ask Eliot about that. I'm just a student who isn't
>> affiliated with Ubuntu One or Canonical in any way.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Natan
>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Natan Yellin <aantny@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steve Alexander <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yes, implementing a "Human" DCVS isn't easy. Dropbox, Apple's Time
>>>>>> Machine, and several other projects have all /tried/ to to do so, but as far
>>>>>> as I can tell they haven't succeeded. (It's gotten to the point where
>>>>>> Dropbox decided that it just wasn't worth keeping file-revisions and now
>>>>>> deletes revisions more than one month old. I haven't heard anyone complain,
>>>>>> so I doubt that the feature was at all popular.) Both Dropbox and Time
>>>>>> Machine remember small one-line edits that no one cares about. Its been
>>>>>> impossible to create a "Human" GUI for viewing revisions because there are
>>>>>> just too darn many revisions to be viewed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure that Dropbox want to keep their user interfaces simple and
>>>>> intuitive, and this will be part of why their system works like this.
>>>>> There's an economic driver for this too, and I think this is very
>>>>> significant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dropbox wants to sell 50GB of file storage at $10 per month.  That's a
>>>>> flat rate for a bunch of storage.
>>>>>
>>>>> They will be banking on most of their customers using only a fraction
>>>>> of the full amount of available storage, because Dropbox is a cloud-based
>>>>> service using Amazon S3, and so they will pay for only what users use, not
>>>>> the full amount they are offering to users.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a problem with this approach if they are also offering to keep
>>>>> revisions indefinitely, or just remove revisions when the quota gets full.
>>>>>  The problem is, over time, most users will be using the full 50GB. part for
>>>>> "live" data and the rest for historical revisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> It costs Dropbox about the same amount to store a historical revision
>>>>> as it costs to store current revision of some files.  But the value to the
>>>>> user is totally different.  So, they will want keep only the most valuable
>>>>> revisions, and remove the rest.  I guess that's why they've come up with
>>>>> this particular policy of removing older revisions automatically.
>>>>>
>>>> Exactly. My point wasn't that it makes economic sense to keep all
>>>> revisions (it doesn't, as you pointed out) but rather that users don't even
>>>> /want/ to keep all revisions. However, by contrast, keeping specific
>>>> revisions (marked by users) is both cheep and useful.
>>>>
>>>> You have a good point that it also makes sense to keep recent revisions.
>>>> People can use those in case they accidentally delete/change something they
>>>> need.
>>>>
>>>> Natan
>>>>
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