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Mike Rooney wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:42 PM, mac_v<drkvi-a@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>> On the other hand, fast boot is an explicit Ubuntu design goal for a
>>> variety of reasons including users typically start their computers because
>>> they want to use them.
>>>
>>> Before getting too set on installing updates at boot, I'd suggest some
>>> discussion with the people on the Ubuntu foundations team working on faster
>>> boot speed.
>>>
>>> Scott K
>>>
>> ^+1 to Scott,
>> The only problem with constant reboots is, the delay to get your work
>> started, this leads to people not installing the updates at boot at all,
>>  but rather later during the system use.
>>
>> Is there a way to explicitly *not start the package and update it* ?
>>
>> Like for example , now , when we do an update which asks for a reboot,
>> We only need to reboot once, But when updates are done at login , we are
>> rebooting twice[well not reboot exactly but starting the system twice].
>>
>> So is there a way to mark the packages which require reboot , and Not
>> start them during the boot , but to update them and this would just
>> *delay the boot by a few seconds during which the present icon is shown*
>>
>> This way the user never actually reboots .
>>
>> But, i guess ,this can be done better with updates at shutdown.
>> With *updates at shutdown the user never has to actually reboot* . the
>> word Reboot doesnt even have to be used!
>>
>> The only scenario which is against updates at shutdown is for laptops ,
>> needing immediate shutdown.
>> *So doing updates at shutdown and allowing option to instant shutdown*
>> is more logical and user friendly.
>>
>> cheers,
>> mac_v
> 
> Yeah, I think I see what you mean, this is kind of cool. So during one
> session my updates are downloaded automatically in the background. The
> next time I restart, before the desktop environment is loaded, we
> display a large present graphic with an encircling progress bar that
> says "Updating your system" and something like "Press Escape to boot
> immediately without updates". Being pre-downloaded, this could be
> pretty fast. Afterwards it goes in to the normal boot sequence, or if
> a reboot is required, restarts the kernel.
> 
> I agree that log-in time is not very disruptive since I have nothing
> to interrupt except my patience and if I am in a hurry I can just
> press escape. That said shut-down also has some potential. I think it
> is cool that we are throwing out all sorts of ideas and conceptually
> iterating on them. Keep it up!
> 
> Michael Rooney
> mrooney@xxxxxxxxxx
> 

Yup that is it...
I like the encircling progress bar... :)

But rather than doing auto-download of updates,
I meant when notified of updates in-session the user chooses to download
& install , packages which dont require reboot are done immediately,
but when a package requires a restart ,
the system just notifies "The following packages will be installed
during next boot", note : *we do not mention the word reboot*.

For firefox updates , the system says "Firefox will be updated when
browser is closed", and the updates window closes...
The FF updates wait till the browser is shut down and updates FF without
disturbing the user.

cheers
mac_v