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[Conscious User <conscioususer@xxxxxxx>]

Kristoffer, calm down.

This is a brainstorm phase. None of the ideas proposed so far were
proposed in the most polished form possible, and there are many other
possible ideas to consider.

It is a little bit premature to conclude that keeping the notification
area exactly as it is for Wine apps is the best solution based on the
fact that you didn't like two crude, unpolished suggestions. Nobody ever
claimed that those suggestions are the only possible alternatives.

It might be that you are absolutely correct and keeping the area is the
best way. Who knows? But how to reach this conclusion before a more
exhaustive discussion on alternatives?

There is no evil conspiracy to break your desktop experience, just a
desire to see if there are any improvement possibilities that are being
overlooked.


Le mercredi 16 juin 2010 à 17:14 +0200, Kristoffer Lundén a écrit :


> It's the exact right word, since I wasn't talking about functionality.
> Rocks are functional, but have a broken experience when it comes to
> building houses, especially if you are used to a hammer. It may not be
> breaking functionality (actually for icons that indicate status, it
> does that too since it will be hidden) but it DOES break experience.
> Regressing to a window in particular would be a horrible experience
> and totally unacceptable. Cramming it into some kind of drop-down
> indicator not much better, since a lot of apps communicate via these
> old indicators.

> You do realize that moving these indicators to windows or menu in no
> way unbreaks them, or makes them conform - they will stick out just as
> sorely, or worse. Sticking them in a menu does not make them behave
> like the rest of the desktop, so that effort is not accomplishing
> anything anyway. Just because all top levels are then menus does not
> mean that the perceived experience is any more coherent - Id argue
> that it's less coherent because it's unexpected and still does not
> conform. I understand the initial reaction to try and fit everything
> into the new menus, but in cases like this, the result just ends up
> (potentially much) worse and still fool noone that it's one system.

> If we choose to use Wine or Java, we expect to step outside the
> blessed sandbox - now let us do that, please.

> No. Anecdotal, of course, but I know of exactly zero people on Ubuntu
> that does not run at least Wine to get at least Spotify which relies
> somewhat heavily on having a systray icon. At work, I also have a Java
> systray icon from DavMail without which I could not practically use
> Ubuntu at work (not impossible, just much harder, esp the calendar and
> Evolution is a crashing joke). Though the DavMail icon would suffer
> less from being in a menu, it does communicate that it's working etc
> by changing appearance so it's not nice to hide it in menu or window,
> even though it's rarely important.
>  
> The solutions here are, for Spotify: get a Linux client or provide an
> alternative - native app, plugin to Rhythmbox etc - there's a non-free
> library and several open efforts. And for DavMail: if it's possible
> for Java to use the menus in a nice way, bugfiling or even patches.
> 
> That's two examples that concern me. There's more. Steam, for
> instance, is a huge thing when it comes to gaming in Wine, since a lot
> of games do work well. They are rumored to release a Linux client
> though, and at that point they could probably be petitioned to behave
> nicely.
> 
> Just don't break my desktop experience with what I feel is essentially
> misdirected efforts, doing nothing to make the desktop more usable
> while also not making it seem more coherent in any way.