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[Eylem Koca <eylemkoca@xxxxxxxxx>]

The only real problem I have with overlay scrollbars is when using
GIMP. Extremely annoying behavior when you zoom in and you have to
scroll. Especially bad while horizontal scroll. I don't know if it's
just me...

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:07 PM, James Jenner <james.g.jenner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Regards,
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> James Jenner
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> On 8 October 2011 02:05, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
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>> Den 07. okt. 2011 16:43, skrev gespertino@xxxxxxxxx:
>>>
>>> With visible scrollbars you know where they are, you just move your
>>> pointer and use them. With hidden scrollbars, you have to aim more,
>>> and sometimes you miss.
>>
>> And that is why this problem has been fixed, right? But the thing you have
>> to aim for, has never been hidden. It's been made smaller, but not
>> invisible. And it does not matter where on the scrollbar you place your
>> pointer. In other words, your arguments are nearly invalid. However, I
>> always felt that the scrollbar should occupy the entire edge of the screen.
>> That's the way it's going to be, so it doesn't make sense to start
>> complaining about that. To me, this really doesn't matter at all, since I've
>> had a mouse with a scroll wheel for many years, and stopped dragging the
>> scrollbars so many years ago that I can no longer remember when it was. But
>> for those who do, the fix is nice. However, those who do not have these
>> expectations of the system, tends to move the mouse to the visible
>> scrollbars, which works well in both Natty and Oneiric. So this fix will
>> mostly serve old-school Ubuntu users and not newcomers.
>
> Personally I like the hidden scroll bars and how they behave in maximised
> windows. Being able to throw to the right and start scrolling is very nice.
> However for non maximised windows with a large amount of contents then it
> can be a pain to try and target the scroll bar (e.g. look at /bin with a
> small window, the target area is quite small) . I don't see a problem with
> how it is presented (it's easy to understand), I'm more concerned with the
> effort required to hit the scroll bar. I would rather have the behaviour the
> same for non-maximised windows and maximised windows, in that any part of
> the right side of the window facilitates scrolling.
>
> Overall though I think this is a trivial matter, where you are in a view is
> clear, what to target is clear and it's not a frequent activity. for me I
> generally use either the page down/page up key, the mouse wheel or the two
> finger swipe (I think it's two, or is it three?). Either way I really don't
> think this is a big deal.
>
> I do agree however that there is a problem with selecting the bottom right
> corner to resize. I do like the alt middle mouse button though, i would
> rather use that any day over trying to hit an edge of a window to resize
> (actually I use ctrl alt <num> the most now a days, far more useful).
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
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