unity-design team mailing list archive

[Tadej Rosa <tadej.rosa@xxxxxxxxx>]

I'm sorry, I forgot to add ayatana list to the recipients. Message below.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tadej Rosa <tadej.rosa@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 18:27
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] stop quick hide application top menu on top task bar
To: Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx>


If I may interject; I really do want to have the menu visible at all times.
Granted, that's entirely subjective. What is not subjective is that you need
constantly visible menus in order to actually realize the primary reason for
having them at the top edge of the screen - easier acquisition with mouse.
Fitt's law is not the alpha and omega of usability (and only really makes
sense when the input device is a mouse), but it _was_ cited as one of, if
not THE reason for having the global menu bar, so why usability engineers at
Canonical chose to render it meaningless by hiding the menu is anyone's
guess. More importantly, I would imagine this to be especially annoying on a
touchscreen (I don't have any such devices around to test, though), even
though improving touch-based interaction was supposed to be a major goal of
Unity.

So please, would anyone care to explain how "visual clutter" overrides all
of these considerations? Since when are aesthetic reasons sufficient to
throw out genuine usability concerns? It's not like there is no debate on
this issue, clearly many people have strong feelings about this.

No offense meant to anyone, but this "feature" really does frustrate me,
moreso because I can't seem to find any genuine, thought-out arguments
against the drawbacks I mentioned in the first part of the post.

take care now,
TR



On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 16:51, Jo-Erlend Schinstad <
joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Den 18. okt. 2011 12:50, skrev charlesalva@xxxxxxxxx:
>
>> [snip]
>>
>> i guess, there's a lot to be done with this unity.
>>
>> if we're gonna copy mac osx/ios, at least we have to do it right this
>> time! :D
>>
>>
> Learning and copying are two radically different things. I really don't
> want to have the menus visible at all times. For most users, the menus are
> hardly ever used and when you use them, you don't need to read the title of
> the window. You also don't need to look at the menu when you read the title
> of a webpage. They're mutually exclusive, hence it makes sense to only
> display one at a time.
>
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ayatana
> Post to     : ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ayatana
> More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/**ListHelp<https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp>
>