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[Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>]

I should specify; my comment was in response to Frederik. Turning off the
backlight toggles by default I'm indifferent on, personally. I do
appreciate that it helps people with poor vision, but I wonder a better
solution is to include a Unity specific configuration tool in the repos or
on CD. That would solve this and a large number rod other complaints with
Unity.

--Ian Santopietro

"Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended"

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On Jan 9, 2012 7:36 AM, "Bartosz" <gang65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> i don't want desaturate inactive icons.
> Every icon has its own background square (backlight).
> The idea is toggle it if it is inactive,
>
> I tested it, and it works perfectly. Try it by yourself by using Ccsm.
> It is really easy to implement this.
>
> If you don't like this solution, I have several another ideas how to
> improve this behaviour.
>
> Best Regards
> Bartosz
>
> W dniu 9 stycznia 2012 01:40 użytkownik Ian Santopietro
> <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> napisał:
> > Desaturating inactive applications in the launcher is a bad idea. It
> removes
> > the ability to recognize different icons based on color. That would leave
> > only shape, which isn't enough on it's own, particularly if the current
> icon
> > set has many similar icons (like Faenza).
> >
> > --Ian Santopietro
> >
> > "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended"
> >
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> >
> > On Jan 8, 2012 3:20 PM, "frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx"
> > <frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> like i often tell friends and others:
> >>
> >> imo, a11y and usability are one and the same thing, when we're talking
> >> about basic functionality.
> >>
> >> That is why design should be based on a solid semantic foundation:
> >> this way, porting whatever event or state notification to the human
> >> sense realms (ayatana) becomes a trivial task of translation.
> >>
> >> The little arrows are of little semantic value, they could be
> >> interpreted as a plentitude of things.
> >>
> >> To display an application in the launcher in full color regardless
> >> whether it is currently active or dormant is in itself already a
> >> misleading way of presenting an app. Ccsm offers turning off backlight
> >> for inactive apps.
> >>
> >> This is better, but still not enough from a semantic point of view:
> >> i'm still indicating something that isn't there (loaded).
> >>
> >> Apps that are inactive should be monochrome in the launcher. If
> >> possible, their "button" should display a symbolic icon instead of a
> >> rich logo. Semantic design is a11y design, but to get that message
> >> across to everyone, i'd probably have to prove the concept first, and
> >> i'm afraid i'm not up to the challenge quite yet.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2012-01-06, Matt Wheeler <m@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> > On 6 January 2012 01:31, Bartosz <gang65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> Hi.
> >> >>
> >> >> My friend has a big vision impairment.
> >> >> In every day computer usage he is using Windows 7 with big fonts. He
> is
> >> >> using computer for checking the mail (thunderbird), web browsing
> >> >> (firefox), and watching the movies (vlc player)
> >> >>
> >> >> I convinced him to test the Ubuntu for two weeks, and tell me his
> >> >> impressions.
> >> >>
> >> >> I installed Ubuntu 10.10. After enable some accessibility and
> >> >> appearance
> >> >> set-up, the Ubuntu works like the charm. My friend was very positive
> >> >> surprised with the Ubuntu.
> >> >
> >> > Great! :)
> >> >
> >> >> Most annoying problem he found:
> >> >> - readability of the currently opened applications in launcher -
> after
> >> >> open the new applications he has problems with notice, which
> >> >>  application
> >> >> are already opened. There is only small arrow on the left side of
> icon.
> >> >> In
> >> >> Windows 7 there is no such problem. Is is possible to implement some
> >> >> more
> >> >> readable look?
> >> >> -  readability of the currently active application in launcher -
> >> >> Currently
> >> >> there is small arrow on the right side of icon. Is it possible to do
> it
> >> >> more readable?
> >> >
> >> > It's possible to change the appearance of running apps in the launcher
> >> > by installing compizconfig-settings-manager and tweaking the settings
> >> > in the unity plugin. Perhaps some changes to the launcher's appearance
> >> > should be made automatically when choosing low, high or high/inverse
> >> > contrast settings, or an option added to the Universal Access settings
> >> > (I'm not sure tying it to the contrast option quite fits... anyone?)
> >> >
> >> >> With this problem solved, the productivity of vision loss with ubuntu
> >> >> will
> >> >> be much higher.
> >> >>
> >> >> What do you think about his ideas?
> >> >> Do you think it is possible to change this looks in Unuty?
> >> >
> >> > It's possible for you do do this for your friend right away, we just
> >> > need to decide whether we should be doing this by default, and also
> >> > whether the current configuration options for the launcher are good
> >> > enough from an accessibility point of view. I'm not in any way an
> >> > accessibility expert so someone who is should probably look at what
> >> > we've got and comment here :)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Matt Wheeler
> >> > m@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >
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