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On 12 September 2011 15:44, Adrian Borucki <gentoolx@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> On 12 September 2011 02:17, SII <dante.ashton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I thought D-Bus was only good for outright notification and limited
>> control?
>
>
> D-Bus is good not only for control and notification but also transmitting
> data. Its key advantages are good encapsulation and speed (it uses binary
> protocol).
>
>
>> If everything works as planned, significant modification will have to be
>> done...not only making controls of the application usable to Wintermute, but
>> also removing the little things that don't really work very well within a
>> natural language enviroment, like titlebars and buttons...
>>
>
> One thing bothers me here: how much should we limit these "old" methods of
> window management? Imagine that somebody frequently changes application
> windows (e.g. Chromium and Kopete),
>

In the case of Kopete (or any IM program) the change is fairly simple; you
won't have to provide a command, I am rather hoping Wintermute can be made
smart enough to recognize current activity and manage windows as needed.


> I think it is not convenient to say (or write) command every time when you
> want to change window.
>

Trust me, we won't. That would be a major annoyance!



> And I think that people are rather used to mouse-centred solutions than
> keyboard ones (of course keyboard is also able to carry such tasks).
>

Providing everything goes as planned, neither the mouse nor keyboard would
be used! :D
Of course, the keyboard would be a fallback, and the mouse would have
limited use (not every application can be put under Winty's control; like
the GIMP, for instance)

>
> And one note about that is we will probably have to change behaviour of WM
> (e.g. KWin). Because tweaking WM can be expansive we will probably have to
> stick with one. Maybe we could use a tiling window manager (no decorations,
> automatic management) but then we focus on keyboard and as I said people are
> used to mouse.
>

I thought KWin could do tiling?
We'd be looking at fully automatic management, including opening,
maximizing, minimizing and closing.

>
>
>>
>>
>> -Dante
>>
>>
>> On 11 September 2011 00:28, Jacky Alcine <jacky.alcine@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Sweet, Phill. Having an introspection is always good. We would be trying
>>> to have a plugin that communicated to Wintermute and Chrome by means of
>>> D-Bus. D-bus is Wintermutes needle into the veins of the system...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 9, 2011, Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> > ** CORRECTION** for UBUNTU, not just Lubuntu :)
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Phill Whiteside <phillw@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course, I *could* always ask Fabien for his views? Oh... Fabien...
>>> He's the guy who deals with the Chromium bugs via Lubuntu & gets releases
>>> out in a couple of hours. He's one of the Chromium Developers and comes
>>> across as a really nice guy. Nothing ventured, nothing gained :)
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >> Phill.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 1:35 AM, SII <dante.ashton@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We'd still have to do some major mods to get Winty to fit it into
>>> it's own DE. (yes, working on the design, give me a couple more days)
>>> >>> -Dante
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 6 September 2011 20:18, Jacky Alcine <jacky.alcine@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Wouldn't have to totally modify Chromium, we'd have to take
>>> advantage of NPAPI (ie: search up Chromify-OSD in the Chrome Store). We
>>> could bind it to interpret whatever it can from Flash objects (some objects
>>> could be linked to RDF data, but I haven't seen it done).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 6:34 AM, SII <dante.ashton@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> OK, all of you know we're working on a 'closed' environment to make
>>> things simpler for Wintermute; This means control of functions/applications
>>> as well as versions.
>>> >>>>> The trouble is, how do we deal with the web?
>>> >>>>> I'm not a web dev; so I'm not sure about a lot of things when it
>>> comes to web-browsing for a machine. For instance, Flash objects will be
>>> opaque to Wintermute; it only makes sense to humans. Same with video
>>> regardless of format.
>>> >>>>> Perhaps a modified version of Chromium?
>>> >>>>> Thoughts/problems/etc?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>> Jacky Alcine
>>> >>>> Blog <http://jackyalcine.co.cc/> | Launchpad <
>>> https://launchpad.net/~jackyalcine>
>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacky Alcine
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>>>
>>>
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