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[Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx>]

A small glimpse at the (open) future of publishing:

http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol10/print/Kleinfeld01/BalisageVol10-Kleinfeld01.html

On 11 April 2016 at 12:11, Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Perhaps this is possible, but not all of us have access to the UiO license,
> and the license conditions may prevent onward distribution of this to
> community members outside of UiO. Not sure. Anyway, it may be best to engage
> with oXygen and see what the terms and conditions are, assuming this is the
> direction we want to go.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 6:50 PM, Morten Olav Hansen <morten@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> We already have university licenses for oXygen XML, maybe that also
>> entitles us to a license for the web version? (if you want to use that
>> instead)
>>
>> --
>> Morten Olav Hansen
>> Senior Engineer, DHIS 2
>> University of Oslo
>> http://www.dhis2.org
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Jason Pickering
>> <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Knut,
>>>
>>> If it would get you writing some docs, it would be well worth it. :)
>>>
>>> Seriously though, these are floating licenses, so they would be good for
>>> more than 5 people. We have two dedicated technical writers now, but up
>>> until now, there have been few people actually writing the docs. So, these
>>> five licenses would go a long way.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 200$/month for 5 people, that is.
>>>>
>>>> Not saying that price may not be worth paying if it helps productivity.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you not have to sign up for the free trial license?
>>>>> Our free trial includes all of the features of Oxygen XML Web Author
>>>>> for a maximum of 30 days
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to be 200 USD per month?
>>>>>
>>>>> oXygen XML Web Author uses a subscription floating license model with a
>>>>> minimum commitment period of 12 months.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Jason Pickering
>>>>> <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found what looks like a too-good-to-be-true WebApp version of Oxygen
>>>>>> from the Google Play Store, which offers integration with GitHub. It seems
>>>>>> to work. Might offer a new editor to replace my beloved deprecated Serna.
>>>>>> You can try it out by adding oXygen XML WebApp extension to Chrome.
>>>>>> Seems pretty sweet, but not sure if this is just a demo or something which
>>>>>> is actually fully functional and free?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Bob Jolliffe <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://docbkx-tools.sourceforge.net/docbkx-samples/manual.html seems
>>>>>>> to suggest 5.0 is now supported.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the features i have seen touted in 5.1 which is also part of
>>>>>>> DITA (and no doubt Flare) is support for "topics".  I guess the idea
>>>>>>> here, to use the elearning jargon, is to be able to make reusabale
>>>>>>> learning objects which can be differently combined in scorm modules
>>>>>>> and the like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do agree that at the moment the priority really should be more and
>>>>>>> improved content.  While we have that content in docbook xxx xml we
>>>>>>> know that it is not going to be lost and can be shimmied into
>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>> the toolchain of the future might be.  In fact i am regretting
>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> involved in this thread at all, but I am glad you got rid of the
>>>>>>> Serna
>>>>>>> free comments :-)  Back to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8 April 2016 at 04:13, Jason Pickering
>>>>>>> <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Hi Bob,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Again, I think the fact that docbook has moved on is to us, not so
>>>>>>> > important. We are using a very small subset of what docbook offers,
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > there are no real differences between 4.4 and 5.0 for our purposes,
>>>>>>> > at least
>>>>>>> > which I have seen. One issue which we should investigate more is
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > supposed improved indexing in 5.0, which I have not been able to
>>>>>>> > get to
>>>>>>> > work.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The major issue with upgrading the dependency from 4.4 to 4.5 of
>>>>>>> > docbook
>>>>>>> > seems to be the lack of a publicly available maven artifact for
>>>>>>> > either 4.4
>>>>>>> > or 5.0. We could of course build it ourselves, or try and find
>>>>>>> > somewhere
>>>>>>> > where its actually available, but since I managed to get this
>>>>>>> > combination
>>>>>>> > working, I never really investigated it further.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > So again to emphasize, the reason we are using 4.4 is because of
>>>>>>> > the tool
>>>>>>> > chain (docbkx) and getting that to work with either Docbook 4.5 or
>>>>>>> > 5.0.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>>> > Jason
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:50 PM, Bob Jolliffe
>>>>>>> > <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Jason I saw your sed script to remove comments.  That is that
>>>>>>> >> problem
>>>>>>> >> solved :-)
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I don't have any problem with the docbook toolchain and wouldn't
>>>>>>> >> lightly consider changing it.  I think it works well.  There is
>>>>>>> >> some
>>>>>>> >> learning involved and a shortage of non-technical tooling but yet
>>>>>>> >> it
>>>>>>> >> works well.  I would consider upgrading to 5.0 (or 5.1) as that
>>>>>>> >> might
>>>>>>> >> widen the scope of tooling available and would be relatively
>>>>>>> >> painless.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> But I agree that we need to focus on the concrete requirements
>>>>>>> >> rather
>>>>>>> >> than products.  And most of all, the content.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 7 April 2016 at 14:40, Jason Pickering
>>>>>>> >> <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > Perhaps, but see my earlier mail regarding framework wars.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > This is the same discussion we are having about testing, use
>>>>>>> >> > this
>>>>>>> >> > framework
>>>>>>> >> > or that framework. However, there are still too few tests, as no
>>>>>>> >> > one can
>>>>>>> >> > agree.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > We have something which works. We have content which needs to be
>>>>>>> >> > improved
>>>>>>> >> > and updated. If there is a compelling reason to move away from
>>>>>>> >> > something
>>>>>>> >> > which, albeit somewhat dated ...works, maybe it would be good to
>>>>>>> >> > outline
>>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>>> >> > reasons for this change.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:21 PM, Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> I see that Flare supports DITA, would that be a good
>>>>>>> >> >> alternative to
>>>>>>> >> >> DocBook?
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> http://dita.xml.org/
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Bob Jolliffe
>>>>>>> >> >> <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> On a spectrum between low-level standardized technical docbook
>>>>>>> >> >>> through
>>>>>>> >> >>> to "user friendly" (use Word), vendor-locked proprietary and
>>>>>>> >> >>> patent
>>>>>>> >> >>> encumbered technology, this one seems to fall on the far right
>>>>>>> >> >>> :-)
>>>>>>> >> >>> Not quite what I had in mind.
>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> I can see the attraction but I would be very wary to go in
>>>>>>> >> >>> this
>>>>>>> >> >>> direction.
>>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> On 7 April 2016 at 13:52, Rachael Brooke <rachael@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> > Cecilia and I have been thinking about trying out a new tool
>>>>>>> >> >>> > that
>>>>>>> >> >>> > could
>>>>>>> >> >>> > handle big documentation projects, translation files and
>>>>>>> >> >>> > other
>>>>>>> >> >>> > resources. So
>>>>>>> >> >>> > it's good timing that this issue is being raised by you.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> > We were considering looking into a solution which you may
>>>>>>> >> >>> > know,
>>>>>>> >> >>> > called
>>>>>>> >> >>> > MadCap Flare: http://www.madcapsoftware.com/products/flare/.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> > If you have any other suggestions, we'd be happy to hear
>>>>>>> >> >>> > your
>>>>>>> >> >>> > thoughts.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> > Thanks for bringing this up - we're investigating!
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> > Rachael
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Knut Staring
>>>>>>> >> >>> > <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> >>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Would be good to hear from our new documentation experts
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> (Rachael
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Cecilia) on this issue (what kinds of tools they would be
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> comfortable
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> with
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> etc).
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Knut
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Bob Jolliffe
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> <bobjolliffe@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Hi Jason, Lars
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> I am not sure the link about oxygen nested comments is
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> really
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> addressing the "thing".
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> I agree with Lars that having the "<!-- Created by Serna
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Free -->"
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> text inserted into all our documents is ugly, wrong and
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> misleading.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> If you are using Serna Free I think it might be a simple
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> courtesy
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> just strip those comments before committing.  Of course
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> its
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> possible
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to forget and maybe some sort of removal hook could be
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> configured
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> automatically (sed, xsltproc ..) but its maybe not so hard
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to just
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> delete the line.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> I am not sure of what the problem is with oxygen
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> encountering
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> these
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> comments are though.  Maybe I also don't get the "thing"
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> :-)  I
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> open
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the docbook files with oxygen and don't encounter a
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> problem
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> related
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the comment.  The docbook4 "type" seems to be immediately
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> recognized
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> and I get a Docbook4 menu appear when I switch to author
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> mode
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> whether
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the comment is there or not.  Is it an oxygen version
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> issue (I
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> currently use 17.1) or is there some other issue I am
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> missing?
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Though I think there are deeper issues at play.  First is
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> that
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Serna
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Free seems no longer to be maintained (as a free version).
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> One
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> consequence of this being that using it keeps us frozen in
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> time at
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook 4.4.  The last release of the docbook 4.x series
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> was 4.5
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> back
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> in 2006.  The 5.0 (and now 5.1) series has been out for
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> quite a
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> long
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> time now (2009?).  AFAIK the only reason for sticking with
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> 4.x has
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> been the availability of Serna Free.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (Which is not a small thing.  The sad truth is that
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> another good
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> free
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> candidate for docbook editing by non-technical authors
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> hasn't ever
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> emerged.  Of course if you are more than a bit geeky then
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> emacs
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> does
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> a
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> good job.  But even I don't use emacs anymore for editing
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> documents.  I use oxygen, which is not free.)
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Two thoughts come to mind:
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (i) it probably really makes sense to rejoin the (docbook)
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> world
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> and
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> move from 4.4 to 5.0.  Particularly if the now defunct
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Serna Free
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> is
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the only factor holding us back.  I understand that there
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> are
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> transforms available to make this a painless journey.  The
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> best
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> available in terms of free editing tools with a strong
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> focus
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> seems to be the eclipse DEP4E plugin.  Otherwise there are
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> non-free tools as well as host of xml schema aware
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> editors.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Admittedly none of these really qualify as eminently
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> suitable for
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> non-technical authors so the problem isn't really
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> completely
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> solved,
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> but maybe improved slightly.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (ii) more radically, it might be time to consider moving
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> from
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> altogether.  There are a host of "cool" alternatives
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> (markdown and
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> friends) none of which I am fond of, but they have
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> enthusiastic
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> supporters.  To me they all seem like endless reinventions
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> of
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> roff/nroff/groff and certainly lack the maturity of
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> docbook.   But
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> maybe the world has moved to a stage that its possible to
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> consider
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> editing html5/css3 documents directly?  Certainly there is
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> considerable user friendly editing tools available.  And
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> conversion
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> to
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> pdf seems not to be a problem.  Though whether this would
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> cause
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> clean structure of documents to descend into anarchy I
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> don't
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> really
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> know.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> My 2 cents.  I would certainly advocate (i) above (though
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> admit
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> its a
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> strong response to just getting rid of Serna Free
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> comments).  (ii)
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> frightens me quite a bit. Certainly would be a lot of
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> work.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> In the end comes down to (i) who will do most of the
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> documentation
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> and
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> what do they like or tolerate, (ii) what effort is
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> justified to
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> fiddle
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> with what is really quite a nice looking set of existing
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> documentation.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> For the moment lets at least agree to keep those horrible
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> comments
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> out.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> Bob
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> On 6 April 2016 at 11:31, Jason Pickering
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > For instance, perhaps this
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > http://www.oxygenxml.com/forum/topic3658.html
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > which seems to describe a means of getting around
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > comments.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Jason Pickering
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Hi Lars,
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> I think there must be a way around this, and I would
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> not be in
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> favor
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> at
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> all of ditching Serna. Its a good tool and not everyone
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> has
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> access
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> to
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> a
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> relatively expensive commercial tool like Oxygen.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Serna Free inserts this automatically unfortunately
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> when it
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> saves
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> the
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> document, but lets look for a look around to deal with
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> this in
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Oxygen.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Regards,
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Jason
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Lars Helge Øverland
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> <lars@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Hi,
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> re the documentation.The Serna editor horribly inserts
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> a
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> <!-- Created by Serna Free -->
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> comment in all files it creates before the DTD. This
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> throws
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> off
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Oxygen
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> from detecting it to be a Docbook format. Lets not use
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Serna
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> anymore
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> or at
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> least make sure we don't get comments in the beginning
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> of
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> docbook
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> xml
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> files.
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Lars
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> --
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Lars Helge Øverland
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Lead developer, DHIS 2
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> University of Oslo
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> Skype: larshelgeoverland
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>> http://www.dhis2.org
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>>
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>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> Jason P. Pickering
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >> tel:+46764147049
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > --
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > Jason P. Pickering
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > tel:+46764147049
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Knut Staring
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Norway: +4791880522
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> Skype: knutstar
>>>>>>> >> >>> >> http://dhis2.org
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>> >
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> --
>>>>>>> >> >> Knut Staring
>>>>>>> >> >> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>>>> >> >> Norway: +4791880522
>>>>>>> >> >> Skype: knutstar
>>>>>>> >> >> http://dhis2.org
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>>> >> > Jason P. Pickering
>>>>>>> >> > email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >> > tel:+46764147049
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Jason P. Pickering
>>>>>>> > email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > tel:+46764147049
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jason P. Pickering
>>>>>> email: jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> tel:+46764147049
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Knut Staring
>>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>>> Norway: +4791880522
>>>>> Skype: knutstar
>>>>> http://dhis2.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Knut Staring
>>>> Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo
>>>> Norway: +4791880522
>>>> Skype: knutstar
>>>> http://dhis2.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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