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[Murod Latifov <mlatifov@xxxxxxxxx>]

I didn't understand why we have concept? What concept does in this relation?

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Jason Pickering <
jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Sorry. Early morning typo.. :O
>
> My point was that it is not "required" to have multi-dimensional data
> elements, although in some cases it does many a lot of sense to use them.
>
> *Perhaps obviously,  it it also possible  to use the "default" category as
> well. This essentially means that you have no categories
>
> and would need to create separate data elements for each level of
> disaggregation.*
>
> Regards,Jason
>
>
>
> >
> > Data element 1) Number of patients testing positive for disease X in
> phase A
> > Data element 2) Number of patients testing positive for disease X in
> phase B
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jason
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Dave Trombley <dave.trombley@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>   Ah, thanks for the informative replies!   One of
> >  the problems I was having
> >> was that I was using the latest snapshot compiled from bzr and not the
> >> latest release, and the data element edit screen is completely
> different!
> >> Is there a way to do this currently in the current dev. branch?  (We've
> >> already switched our proof-of-concept to the current release version, so
> >> this is making a lot more sense now following your advice and the user
> >> manual, which was confusing us in relation to the snapshot!)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dave,
> >>> I recommend reading the following parts of the user manual:
> >>> - chapter 4 on Data Elements
> >>> - chapter 5 on Data Sets and Forms
> >>> - chapter 19 - Data Dimensions in DHIS 2, especially sections 19.2 The
> >>> data element dimension, and section 19.8 "From paper forms to
> >>> multidimensional data sets - lessons learned"
> >>> Just to add to what Jason wrote:
> >>> Category combinations are linked to individual data elements, not data
> >>> sets or sections.
> >>> If your forms consists of multiple tables (with or without different
> >>> column headings) you can split a data set into multiple sections with
> _1_
> >>> category combination (and a subset of the dataset's data elements - all
> >>> sharing the same category combo) for each section. Then your section
> form
> >>> design will automatically reflect the tables/sections in your paper
> form
> >>> (given that the category options are on columns and data elements on
> rows).
> >>> If you need to design an electronic form that e.g. has data elements on
> >>> columns and category options on rows or combining multiple category
> >>> combinations on columns in the same table you need to go for custom
> forms.
> >>> Although the category combinations simplifies how you design forms I
> >>> recommend thinking about how the data will be used in analysis and
> >>> presentation after the data has been collected, e.g. how aggregation
> will
> >>> take place,  and let that guide how you design data elements and
> categories,
> >>> and not let  the data entry form structure control that. The total and
> >>> subtotal of data elements are used in many data analysis components
> (such as
> >>> validation rules, indicators, reports, pivot tables) and it is
> definitely an
> >>> advantage if the total of the data element's category options add up to
> >>> something meaningful and is not just picked to mimic column headings in
> a
> >>> form.  Many more thoughts and examples on this in section 19.8 in the
> >>> manual.
> >>> We also have some very fresh material on this topic from a recent
> >>> workshop, which you can find here (look under Tuesday and the session
> called
> >>> "Design of data elements and data sets"):
> >>> http://www.hisp.uio.no/events/201102-impl-workshop/programme2.html
> >>>
> >>> Ola
> >>> ---------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>> Ola Hodne Titlestad (Mr)
> >>> HISP
> >>> Department of Informatics
> >>> University of Oslo
> >>>
> >>> Mobile: +47 48069736
> >>> Home address: Vetlandsvn. 95B, 0685 Oslo, Norway. Googlemaps link
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 18 February 2011 18:02, Jason Pickering <
> jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Dave,
> >>>> Welcome!
> >>>>
> >>>> Its is a bit confusing to me as well. Let me try and explain as best
> >>>> as I can. Others that understand the model may correct me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You need to create a "Concept". In this case, it would probably
> >>>> "Phase" as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>  You need to create categories. In your case this would be a "Phase".
> >>>>
> >>>> You need to create category options, "Phase A" and "Phase B" for the
> >>>> category "Phase".
> >>>>
> >>>> You need a "Data element category combination" as well. In your case,
> >>>> it would be "Phases" perhaps. If the data elements is further
> >>>> disaggregated by categories "Age" and "Gender" you could add these
> >>>> categories as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally , you need a data element "Number of patients testing positive
> >>>> for disease X"  assigned tp "Combination of categories"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Jason
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Dave Trombley <
> dave.trombley@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >    Hi all
> >>>> >
> >>>> >      I'm new to DHIS2, and going through the process of migrating a
> >>>> > paper
> >>>> > HMIS to a DHIS2 data schema.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >      I have a tabular data structure where I can identify the data
> >>>> > elements,
> >>>> > and the categories/dimensions of those elements.  Data elements are
> >>>> > such as
> >>>> > "Number of patients testing positive for disease X" and categories
> are
> >>>> > such
> >>>> > as "in phase A", "in Phase B", etc.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >      I'd like the data entry form to show up with different cells to
> >>>> > enter
> >>>> > "Number of patients testing positive (in phase A)" and "Number of
> >>>> > patients
> >>>> > testing positive (in phase B)", as it seems they should if the
> >>>> > categories
> >>>> > are defined.  However, I'm having trouble making this happen.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >      The documentation at several points makes references to
> "assigning
> >>>> > a
> >>>> > category to a data element" but I cannot find any place where it
> >>>> > described
> >>>> > how this is done, nor can I seem to make it happen after playing
> with
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > interface for about an hour.  This is all very confusing, and I'm
> >>>> > hoping
> >>>> > someone can explain how it works?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >     Do I need to create a category combo?  Why are category combos I
> >>>> > create
> >>>> > not showing up in the dataset section form's "category combo"
> dropdown,
> >>>> > ever?   Do categories associate with data elements or with (groups,
> >>>> > sets,
> >>>> > datasets, dataset sections), etc?  How do all of these entities
> relate?
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >
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> >
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