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Re: Running App Indicators

 

Cassidy,

Plank doesn't actually support hiding the indicators. What I meant is if
elementary decides to hide them then there should be a way to unhide
them if needed. Which means the shell-plug would have to provide such an
option (toggle between a reasonable indicator size and 0)

Am 2012-09-20 17:49, schrieb Cassidy James:
> Rico,
> 
> Functionally that's the same, sure. But I think the idea is that it
> should be a setting instead of a theming hack. Users should be able to
> say, "I want to display running indicators" and flip a switch to do so.
> 
> On Sep 20, 2012 10:44 AM, "Rico Tzschichholz" <ricotz@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:ricotz@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Setting the size to 0 is fairly the same as having them disabled. So I
>     don't really see the need in such an extra key, although adding one is
>     easy. If you insist please file an elementary-tagged bug.
> 
>     Rico
> 
>     Am 20.09.2012 01:49, schrieb Daniel Foré:
>     > Well the idea is that our default apps already more-or-less behave
>     like
>     > this and we're kind of pushing 3rd party devs to follow along.
>     >
>     > But it sounds like overall there is a pretty strong desire for the
>     > option to re-enable them for now. Which I think is 100% fair
>     considering
>     > we're in the very beginnings of this transition period.
>     >
>     > Rico, would it be terribly difficult to add a key to
>     enable/disable the
>     > running indicators instead of relying on setting their size to 0?
>     >
>     > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:weberc2@xxxxxxxxx>
>     > <mailto:weberc2@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:weberc2@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     Isn't that kind of like pulling all street signs/traffic lights in
>     >     excited anticipation for the day when cars have traffic data
>     >     projected onto the windshield via HUD?
>     >
>     >
>     >     On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Sam Tate <s@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:s@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     >     <mailto:s@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:s@xxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >         In the long run (L+1 or even L+2), I want there to be no
>     >         difference between an open and closed app. Computers are fast
>     >         enough now (esp. with Luna) that you don't really notice the
>     >         extra delay when you open an app rather than restoring from
>     >         Minimize.
>     >         I also want apps to save their state for when you re-open
>     them,
>     >         and for the system (not the user) to handle memory management.
>     >
>     >         However, these are things that need not be addressed now,
>     and I
>     >         will go into in more detail (probably with a blog post) closer
>     >         to the time.
>     >
>     >         For now, I much prefer the removal of indicators as it
>     moves us
>     >         towards this vision.
>     >
>     >         SamTate
>     >
>     >
>     >         On 19 September 2012 00:39, ttosttos Sa
>     <ttosttos@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ttosttos@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >         <mailto:ttosttos@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ttosttos@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >             +1 on running app indicators unless a simple, _mouse only_
>     >             expose for app windows is available (e.g. long hover over
>     >             dock icon exposing running screens).  There are useful
>     apps
>     >             that don't support tabs and, even for those that do,
>     you may
>     >             still want to run multiple windows with different
>     parameters
>     >             (e.g. a browser with private and non-private settings).
>     >              Switching focus to a particular instance of an app is
>     a bit
>     >             involved today.
>     >
>     >             --ttosttos
>     >
>     >             On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Daniel Foré
>     >             <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>     >             wrote:
>     >
>     >                 Hey Guys,
>     >
>     >                 I've seen a few mails/reports about the current
>     lack of
>     >                 running app indicators in Luna. I wanted to get a feel
>     >                 for how people who have been using Luna for a
>     while feel
>     >                 about it. Namely, is this something people are
>     >                 complaining about because they expect it and
>     aren't used
>     >                 to it yet, or is this a real problem?
>     >
>     >                 Personally, I don't miss them at all. I haven't used
>     >                 them for almost a year now (When Gala was just a dream
>     >                 haha). Luna is so good on resources that it hardly
>     >                 matters if an app is open or not and you can
>     easily see
>     >                 if something is open from Gala's Workspace Overview
>     >                 since minimize isn't part of our regular workflow. But
>     >                 it also has the added benefit of saving a few
>     pixels on
>     >                 the bottom of the dock (since our OOTB default is
>     >                 hide-on-maximize and not intelli or autohide I think
>     >                 keep the dock small is still important).
>     >
>     >                 If we do decide that running app indicators are
>     >                 important, would it be terribly difficult to make
>     this a
>     >                 switch in the desktop plug? We may need to ask Rico to
>     >                 add a key for this since I think we wouldn't want to
>     >                 have this update for every user on the system
>     (since the
>     >                 theming is currently stored globally). Because I do
>     >                 think that there are probably a significant amount of
>     >                 people for which the running indicators just aren't
>     >                 terribly useful in Luna and it could still remain
>     as the
>     >                 default. But hey, that's why I am asking!
>     >
>     >                 Best Regards,
>     >
>     >                 Daniel Foré
>     >
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