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[Nuno Lourenco <nlourenz@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hmmm... I don't quite agree. I didn't see in any of these hybrid laptops
nothing saying "100% linux compatible" or something. I only see it saying it
is compatible with "Windows 7" (they don't even mention XP for some reason).
What will you say to the support? "Hey. I installed a different O.S. for
which you guys don't give any support at all and it doesn't work. I want the
problem solved or my money back" ? That is as logical as you calling to
Apple because you bought a computer from them, installed windows and it
doesn't support all the hardware.

I understand that people (like my self) are pissed off, mainly at Nvidia. I
remember when I bought a Nvidia TNT2 (i guess) and it wasn't supported on
linux at the time, but after some time nvidia launched some beautiful
drivers that made all work, and ATIs were total crap in linux at that time,
since then I walkways bought Nvidia gfx cards, even if there's a lot of
debate on Nvidia vs ATI in terms of performance and price, Nvidia worked
flawlessly on linux, and ATI didn't, so it was all I needed to know to
decide where I would put my money on. When i bought my ASUS 1215n i was
stuppid enought to see if ION was suported on linux with Nvidia official
drivers, and ignored the "optimus" tecnhology stuff, assuming that it would
just work out of the box with linux, I was specially pieced off because one
of the main reasons I bought the 1215N was for CUDA developing on Linux.

Talking to the equipment manufacturers (in this case, ASUS), like I said
before, won't resolve anything at all, first, because they didnt ever sayid
that the hardware was supported for linux, as long as windows 7 works your
complain will be deleted right before you turn off the phone. What I belive
it would work, in case of Nvidia, is to arrange significant numbers of
people that want (and have the hardware) Optimus to work on linux, and sign
a petition for it, make some noise and make them see that we are not a
minority, but as long as we are a minority, we are all doomed.

I personally belive that Optimus will be supported on Linux officialy by
Nvidia drivers (ok, maybe not automatically switching, but some kind of
manual software switch) but when that happens our notebooks/netbooks with
Optimus will be just... deprecated.

Sorry if I don't agree with your point of view, but you have to agree that
my point of view is not that inaccurate.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Vangel V. Ajanovski <ajanovski@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> So whose fault is it that these things are not fully supported in any
> Linux?
> Ours! Why? Because we are not making ourselves heard at the right places.
>
> When talking about linux and support everyone is going directly to free
> mailing lists and web forums. Instead everyone should use their equipment
> manufacturers help desk, support chat etc. They are all free, at least while
> you have your warranty. Ask for chat and when they will not be able to fix
> it, file a complaint. Phone them again a week after and see if they have a
> solution in the meanwhile. Do it again, the week after that. You won't get a
> solution. But if you do that for 50 weeks and if 1000 other people do this
> every week they will have on-record 50000 unsolved complaints. I bet that at
> least someone will get worried.
>
> And if the support tells you to use Windows, tell them this: "I was forced
> to pay for the Windows 7 that I have on my PC and that I don't use and that
> I don't even like. Unfortunately none of the dealers selling your products
> offered this laptop without Windows.  I will scrap the windows stickers and
> licence from the laptop and send them back to you for free just give me the
> address. I do not need a refund, you can give the windows 7 that I paid for
> to someone else for free, I do not want it. You can even sell it twice - I
> do not care :)"
>
>
> On 03/02/2011 08:41 PM, Joaquín Ignacio Aramendía wrote:
>
>> Same her. I got a Dell Vostro 3500 in December 2010 and comes with this
>> Optimus tech that i can't bypass. I'm having a hot heavy expensive brick
>> that only works in W$7 (and only in W$7). but i disagree with you Erik.
>> You should not turn user away from Ubuntu, you should turn users away
>> from Optimus tech. If nVidia is not supporting it's own hardware
>> configurations in other thing than Micro$oft, screw them and MS, not
>> Ubuntu.
>>
>> El mié, 02-03-2011 a las 11:05 -0800, Erik Pettersen escribió:
>>
>>> Thanks Peter,
>>>
>>> While I have your ear, can you nudge whoever manages the list
>>> maintained at http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/make/Dell    to
>>> remove (or add a disclaimer) for Vostro 3400 (and probably other
>>> Vostro 3xxx models) from the official certified list?
>>>
>>> I purchased the 3400 thinking I'd have a near seamless experience
>>> because it was certified to work with ubuntu 10.10.  I recognize that
>>> between the initial certification and when I bought the laptop Dell
>>> changed to this new hybrid / optimus approach without changing model
>>> numbers, and that is of course out of canonicals/ubuntu's control...
>>> BUT if we could at least update the certified list or include more
>>> data (date certified/specs/etc) it might save some people from a bad
>>> experience like mine that turns them off from ubuntu.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Peter Goodall
>>> <peter.goodall@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>         On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Erik Pettersen
>>>         <pettersen@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>         >  Thanks Charles,
>>>         >
>>>         >  This *almost* worked.  I blacklisted the nvidia driver, and
>>>         did the acpi
>>>         >  shut off thing...  The only way I can boot to desktop is to
>>>         launch recovery
>>>         >  and select the limited graphics X option.  Then it "works"
>>>         fine... but it's
>>>         >  less than optimal video performance.  I'm not looking to
>>>         game or even turn
>>>         >  on any fancy desktop effects, just want my productivity apps
>>>         to render
>>>         >  correctly and do monitor spanning.
>>>         >
>>>         >  Is there any hope/benefit in the upcoming sandy bridge
>>>         support in natty
>>>         >  narwhal alpha builds?  Alpha 3 is going to be released in a
>>>         few days.
>>>         >
>>>
>>>
>>>         Sandy Bridge is already supported in Natty as of Alpha 2.
>>>          Though
>>>         there are some issues with graphics, I believe it is only
>>>         under
>>>         certain circumstances that most users won't experience.  See
>>>
>>> http://askubuntu.com/questions/22237/when-will-we-get-sandy-bridge-support
>>> .
>>>
>>>         I would wait for Alpha 3 if I were you just to ensure you get
>>>         all the
>>>         fixes since Alpha 2.  I've been using 11.04 since before Alpha
>>>         1 and
>>>         it keeps getting better.
>>>
>>>         - Pete
>>>
>>>         >
>>>         >  On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:21 AM, charles
>>>         <aquasync@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>         >>
>>>         >>  You could try blacklisting the nvidia modules:
>>>         >>
>>>         >>  $ cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia.conf
>>>         >>  blacklist nouveau
>>>         >>  blacklist nvidia
>>>         >>
>>>         >>  Then I think you need to update the initramfs:
>>>         >>
>>>         >>  $ update-initramfs -u
>>>         >>
>>>         >>  HTH,
>>>         >>
>>>         >>  Charles
>>>         >>
>>>         >
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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