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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 9/11/2016 3:22 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> 2016-09-09 16:02 GMT+02:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>:
>> On 9/7/2016 2:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>> 2016-03-12 1:37 GMT+01:00 Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>> As part of the translation code rework that i am working on (and
>>>> auto-detection) part of it is moving the need for changing anything in
>>>> code to add a new language. As part of this involves the flags i was
>>>> wondering whether anyone would be against moving them into the i18n
>>>> repo (and distributed in the individual language folders, so that if
>>>> kicad is compiled with having icons enabled in the menu they could
>>>> still be used but they will be pulled at runtime so no addtional code
>>>> nor icons required in the kicad tree
>>>>
>>>
>>> This discussion seem to be related to the other thread:
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/kicad-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/msg17648.html
>>>
>>> It does not seem anyone is directly against removing the flags all together.
>>
>> As I stated in the previous thread I'm OK with removing the flags.  I'm
>> just concerned about what text we will use in the language menu.
>> Translated, English, always the current locale, or something else?  I
>> still haven't seen a good solution to that issue.
>>
> 
> Maybe have it both? Like:
> 
> Français (French)

Seem plausible.  We can always try it and change it if we don't like it.

> 
> Then you have it "easily readable for the native" and still easy for
> others to understand?
> 
> I still think it is nice to keep the menu, or at least the
> fucntionality. I may not need to be a seperate menu from the top bar
> menu as is now, it might actually be more appropiate in "normal"
> settings dialogs. I know those are not the same for eeschema and
> pcbnew, but maybe more similar in the future. This is just some
> ideas/proposals for the future.
> 
>>>
>>> I like the idea of validating the available languages runtime as
>>> mentioned in the related thread.
>>
>> Makes sense to me.  I see no reason to add entries in the language menu
>> for translations that are not available.
>>
>>>
>>>> Something unrelated to the flags but similar is do we need the
>>>> translations tab with all the translators in the about box? or would a
>>>> better place be in the i18n repo on github and linked from the website
>>>> and only the current translation information provided in the about
>>>> dialog. This can be pulled at runtime from the po files using the
>>>> Language-Team header in the po file. There are a few ways this could
>>>> be left how it is, including having a list of all INSTALLED
>>>> translations in the translations tab instead of only showing current,
>>>> would just require the program at startup processing all the language
>>>> files to get the header information.
>>>>
>>>> for example the one in the ru po file is
>>>> "Language-Team: Russian KiCad Translation Team: Andrey Fedorushkov, Eldar "
>>>> "Khayrullin, Igor Plyatov <andrf@xxxxxxx>\n"
>>>>
>>>> As i only know english i haven't had the oppurtunity to use the po
>>>> utility but i have been advised this is a setting rather than just
>>>> something that is edited manually
>>>>
>>>> the one in the fr po file is
>>>> "Language-Team: jp-charras\n"
>>>>
>>>> which if this idea is implemented jp might need to change his to be a
>>>> bit more informative, (at least being his full name or something)
>>>>
>>>> I think i have mentioned before about making the language list in
>>>> preferences reliant on whether the i18n files have been installed so
>>>> that people don't get caught up with wondering why no other languages
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Lets assume that all contributors have "proper" names here.
>>>
>>> What will happen with translators which work might not even be present
>>> anymore, how are we supposed to detect that? Or are we just going to
>>> count all contributors from epoch?
>>>
>>>> Mainly i am looking for arguments against moving the flags into the
>>>> i18n repo as that may prove that most of my code is not possible.
>>>> seeing as some people seem to be against just ditching the flags
>>>>
>>>
>>> Remove the flags. :P
>>>
>>> I don't know if the languages maybe sould be written in their
>>> localized form, maybe?
>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
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