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[Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>]

I stand corrected.  ‘G’ in the middle of a segment does not work: it moves the closer segment end to the current position and drags the intersection from there.

> On 2 Jan 2018, at 17:42, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Since segments in OpenGL can be selected, the semantics are a bit different.  Select a segment and a ‘G’ near its end gives you get drag-intersection behaviour while a ‘G’ in its middle gives you drag-segment.
> 
> ‘M’ works in both cases as well: ‘M’ near an end gives you move-endpoint; ‘M’ in the middle gives you move-segment.
> 
> I have my copper trace opacities set at about 55%, and get pretty similar transparency to Legacy.  What values are you using?
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 2 Jan 2018, at 17:18, André S. <list.dev.kicad@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:list.dev.kicad@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I want to add from a users view:
>> In the current KiCad 4.0.7 (Windows 64 bit) you can't drag traces in OpenGL/Cairo, only in legacy. (With this I mean: move a segment of a trace and it stays attached to the other segments of the trace (Hotkey: 'G')).
>> Hotkey 'M' moves segments in OpenGL but moves 'connections' in Legacy (segments stay connected).
>> More often than not I need the behaviour of Legacy and not that of the OpenGL canvas.
>> 
>> Values are not displayed in OpenGL/Cairo, only in Legacy.
>> And "transparency" is better in Legacy. With only 2 layers you can see the traces on the bottom layer better than in OpenGL/Cairo. 
>> 
>> Just for this few reasons I still use Legacy more often than OpenGL when modifying an existing PCB design.
>> 
>> From my view OpenGL is nice because you can manipulate single items (segments of traces) better/more comfortably than in Legacy. And initial layout work feels smoother.
>> 
>> Just my 2 cents. :)
>> 
>> Happy new year,
>>   André
>> 
>> PS: as a side note: When I switch from "Standard/Legacy" or OpenGL to Cairo the PCB view goes white and only after a few seconds displays the PCB. In the other direction there is no delay.
>> 
>> Am 2017-12-31 um 22:28 schrieb Jon Evans:
>>> For your consideration, a patch is attached that implements the above.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Jon Evans <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> I think that getting automatic OpenGL detection and recovery working for 5.0 might be ambitious.
>>> Maybe Chris can detail what the next steps are for his approach there, but in case we want to push that to a later release, here's what I propose:
>>> 
>>> 1) Rename the View menu options based on my proposal "Legacy", "Modern (Accelerated)", "Modern (Fallback)"
>>> 2) Change PCB_BASE_FRAME::SwitchCanvas to save the canvas config value after calling UseGalCanvas() rather than before.
>>> 3) Show a first-run dialog like the mockup in my earlier email, IF canvas is not OpenGL and the dialog has not been shown before
>>> 44) If user clicks "yes" in the first run dialog, then:
>>>     (a) set the config value to prevent the dialog from showing again,
>>>     (b) Set the canvas config setting to Cairo (but don't switch the GAL to Cairo), then
>>>     (c) switch to OpenGL canvas using SwitchCanvas()
>>> 
>>> That way, if the app crashes in step 4c, it should come back up as Cairo on the next launch (assuming we crash right away when trying to set up the canvas)
>>> 
>>> Any concerns with the above?
>>> 
>>> -Jon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> No menu items.  Just a checkbox for Enable Hardware Acceleration in Preferences.
>>> 
>>>> On 31 Dec 2017, at 18:36, Andy Peters <devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> - In the case of graphics glitches, inform the users in the FAQ/Manual
>>>>> that they can fall back to software renderer in the View menu.
>>>>> - Don't use the term 'canvas' or 'view'. Just 'Enable HW acceleration’.
>>>> 
>>>> I like that. The fewer technical/programmer terms, the better.
>>> 
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