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Message #34675
Re: Mac HighDPI performance
It is not possible for me to make any kind of accurate time predictions
about when v6 might be released. KiCad development does not move at a
constant pace. Right now, we are at an all time high with developer
involvement but that may not last. We have had a number of developers
come and go over the years so the project development tends to happen in
short bursts. I wish I could give you a better answer than that but I
cannot. I suspect this is the case with most if not all open source
projects.
Wayne
On 3/4/2018 8:40 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
> Of course Wayne, that was my way of expressing concern for delaying a
> performance issue and trying to sauce out your feeling of the possible
> duration of v6 development.
> Do you think there is currently manpower and list of features that
> requires 1 year plus 6 months delay, or do you think it's more like 2
> years best case and 1 year of delay worst case time of thing?
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> When you become the project leader of KiCad, then you can make these
> decisions and live with the consequences of them. In the mean time,
> that responsibility falls on my shoulders. We are in a feature
> freeze for v5 stable so I'm going to err on the side of caution
> here. If we can pick up some performance gains without pushing the
> v5 stable release out, then I'm fine with that but if there are any
> stability issues then we will have to live with what we have.
> Implementing this at the beginning of v6 and back porting it when
> it's stable is also acceptable. Hopefully v6 will not take 2-3 years.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 03/04/2018 07:00 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:
>
> If 6.0 is coming in 1 year, OK, but if it's 2-3 years away then
> I'd say v5.0 should be stable and not have performance issues,
> in my mind better to delay v5 up to 1 month at most to fix it
> rather than let it sit like that for 2-3 years.
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> As for road-map, I’d suggest that EeschemaGAL +
> newSymbolFileFormat
> == 6.0. Anything else that can ride along is fine, but not
> definitive.
>
> The legacy stuff represents a tax on all development we do.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
>
> On 4 Mar 2018, at 23:31, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> Well, I pounded on it a bit more, and it wasn’t really
> fitting
> into “easy” /or/ “straight forward”. It’ll have to wait.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
>
> On 4 Mar 2018, at 20:07, Jon Evans
> <jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> We should probably make some kind of road map if it
> doesn't exist
> already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and
> who will be
> doing what. For example, it might make sense to do
> the SCHEMATIC
> class refactoring you were talking about before or
> in parallel
> with parts of the porting effort.
>
> I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my
> connectivity / bus
> stuff has landed.
>
> -Jon
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh
> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>
> I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward
> fix, I would
> prefer to
> spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL
> port as
> well. I don't
> know when in the v6 cycle any of this will
> happen but I'm
> guessing it
> will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do
> either of you
> have any idea
> when this will happen?
>
> Wayne
>
> On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
> > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to
> be unusable,
> it's just
> > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I
> don't think it's
> worth any
> > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that
> energy into
> the GAL port.
> >
> > -Jon
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier
> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >
> > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion.
> > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it
> is worth the
> effort.
> > If it is unsure when this will happen, it
> might be
> worth it.
> >
> >
> >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh
> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for
> this one. My
> best guess is
> >> to fix
> >> the wx macos code first and see what
> performance
> issues are left. The
> >> problem with messing with any of this is
> that if you break
> >> something it
> >> will break all of the legacy canvas
> rendering not just
> the schematic
> >> editor. I would move extremely carefully
> here. I
> would prefer
> >> that we
> >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5
> release cycle. If the
> >> performance is truly not usable on macos,
> then we may
> have no choice.
> >>
> >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the
> problem.
> >>>
> >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets:
> >>>
> >>>
> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy)
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>>
> >>> #if1
> >>>
> >>> SetNeedsDisplay();
> >>>
> >>> #else
> >>>
> >>>
> //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4.
> >>>
> >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay())
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>>
> >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ;
> >>>
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>>
> NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect);
> >>>
> >>>
> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy);
> >>>
> >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset];
> >>>
> >>> #endif
> >>>
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument
> invalidates the
> >>> entire window.
> >>>
> >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of
> the window
> and only
> >>> invalidate
> >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this:
> >>>
> >>>
> voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd))
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>>
> >>> //preparingtheupdateregion
> >>>
> >>> wxRegionupdateRgn;
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect
> >>>
> >>> #if0
> >>>
> >>> constNSRect*rects;
> >>>
> >>> NSIntegercount;
> >>>
> >>>
> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count];
> >>>
> >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i)
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>>
> >>>
> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i]));
> >>>
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> #else
> >>>
> >>>
> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect));
> >>>
> >>> #endif
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole
> window to be
> repainted if there’s
> >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and
> a vertical one.
> >>>
> >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty
> much guaranteed
> by this
> >>> one, which
> >>> batches repaints:
> >>>
> >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update()
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>>
> >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30)
> >>>
> >>> {
> >>>
> >>> s_lastFlush=clock();
> >>>
> >>> m_nowpeer->Update();
> >>>
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once
> you fix all
> those there’s
> >>> still no
> >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the
> individual draw items
> >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the
> actually
> drawing is
> >>> clipped in
> >>> the end, but you still go through a
> /lot/ of code to
> get there.)
> >>>
> >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve
> already crossed
> the Rubicon of
> >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch.
> >>>
> >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of
> work, with a
> non-trivial risk
> >>> profile. Should I continue?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Jeff.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier
> >>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> No.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov
> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the
> text/font
> such that it
> >>>>> does not
> >>>>> affect performance so significantly on
> MacOS?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne
> Stambaugh
> >>>>> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Andrey,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d
> guess that the
> difference in
> >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy
> performance is
> down to there
> >>>>> being
> >>>>> more text in the schema. Since
> we use a
> stroke font,
> >>>>> there’s
> >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in
> each letter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Devs,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I understand why we use a
> stroke font on the
> PCB, but
> >>>>> there’s
> >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is
> there?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is possibly one of the things
> that I plan
> on changing after
> >>>>> the new schematic file format is
> written. The
> new file format
> >>>>> will support font definitions so
> replacing the
> stroke font in
> >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether
> or not I have
> time to make
> >>>>> this change remains to be seen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wayne
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Jeff.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18,
> Andrey Kuznetsov
> >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The motherboard project is
> not very
> complex, I would say
> >>>>> that performance should be
> tolerable UP
> to that size
> >>>>> complexity, if we set the
> bar any lower,
> usability will
> >>>>> suffer and people won't
> like KiCad
> because it's sluggish
> >>>>> and interface lag is the
> worst kind of lag.
> >>>>> My project isn't finished
> and Chris'
> project is
> >>>>> available
> >>>>> now, is just the right
> complexity and
> has layout
> >>>>> that can
> >>>>> be used for testing as well
> as a schematic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running
> 3200x1800
> (the highest
> >>>>> resolution without making
> text blurry,
> using this for
> >>>>> work every day, so it's
> extravagant,
> it's practical)*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle
> mouse, zoom
> back and forth.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *eeschema:*
> >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times
> slower than
> would be
> >>>>> considered normal, I would
> have to guess
> ~400ms lag
> >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower
> compared to low res
> mode
> >>>>> ~1700ms lag
> >>>>> Even in low res mode, and
> removing 75%
> of the items from
> >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag
> is still
> ~200-300ms, that's
> >>>>> just not right.
> Additionally, I filed
> >>>>>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>
> >>>>>
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>> because
> >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in
> eeschema, coupled with
> >>>>> the lag, it's unusable.
> Maybe the pan
> lag is related to
> >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are
> multiple steps
> being rendered
> >>>>> when it should just jump to
> where the
> mouse ended up at,
> >>>>> I don't know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:*
> >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms
> >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for
> panning,
> 300-600ms for zoom
> >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for
> panning, 600ms
> for zoom
> >>>>> Low Res mode: did not
> notice speed
> increase, except
> >>>>> maybe
> >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not saying halt the
> horses, certain
> modes are
> >>>>> obviously limited, ie
> Legacy and
> Fallback by the nature
> >>>>> of the task presented, but
> eeschema is
> barely displaying
> >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew
> is but lagging
> so much worse!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just thought I'd include
> rendering of
> the Accelerated
> >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom:
> Supersampling
> 4x, Subpixel AA
> >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA)
> >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive,
> probably
> <50-100ms lag, I'd
> >>>>> consider this performance
> great,
> considering the amount
> >>>>> of elements on screen.
> >>>>> <image.png>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How long should it take to
> delete this
> many selected
> >>>>> elements in pcbnew?
> >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long!
> I think it
> was like 3mins,
> >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be
> available to
> press anytime to
> >>>>> undo the delete action and
> restore to
> pre-delete screen
> >>>>> when accidental actions are
> triggered
> that take forever
> >>>>> to complete?
> >>>>> <image.png>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53
> AM, Bernhard
> Stegmaier
> >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> to be honest, I don’t
> really know
> what this is
> >>>>> about.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Andrey:
> >>>>> You looked for a very
> complex
> (foreign) project
> >>>>> (Chris mainboard?)
> >>>>> to prove that eeschema
> is slow on Mac?
> >>>>> Well, we know that and
> we told you
> already some
> >>>>> weeks/months ago
> >>>>> why it is like it is
> (if memory
> serves me right).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or, do you have an own
> project that
> is so
> >>>>> ridiculously slow, that
> >>>>> you can’t work with it?
> >>>>> If so, please provide
> it so that we
> can analyse why
> >>>>> this specific
> >>>>> project behaves like that.
> >>>>> If you can’t or don’t
> want to
> provide it we could
> >>>>> tell you how to
> >>>>> do some performance
> measurements so
> that we
> >>>>> might see
> >>>>> something.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Obviously, there are a
> number of Mac
> users here and
> >>>>> also over at
> >>>>> the KiCad forum who
> might also be
> happy to get
> >>>>> some more
> >>>>> performance here and
> there, but who
> are in general
> >>>>> reasonably able
> >>>>> to work on their
> projects (including
> myself, on a
> >>>>> 2012 Retina
> >>>>> MacBook with only an i5).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Bernhard
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at
> 17:59, Andy Peters
> >>>>> <devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:devel@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at
> 8:53 PM, Seth
> Hillbrand
> >>>>>
> <seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:seth.hillbrand@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Andrey-
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a
> new thread
> so that we don't
> >>>>> conflate the
> >>>>> OpenMP discussion with
> this.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Can you test running
> Kicad with
> the "Open in Low
> >>>>> Resolution"
> >>>>> mode enabled? You can
> activate this
> by choosing
> >>>>> "Get
> >>>>> Info" on the
> >>>>> main KiCad application
> and checking
> the option that
> >>>>> says "Open in
> >>>>> Low Resolution". You
> may need to do
> the same
> >>>>> for the
> >>>>> other
> >>>>> applications (Eeschema,
> pcbnew, etc)
> as well.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > testing on my 2017”
> touch-bar MBP …
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res
> mode looks fuzzy
> and weird!
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I don’t notice any
> specific
> differences in
> >>>>> EESchema
> >>>>> performance.
> >>>>> Maybe my schematic
> isn’t busy
> enough? I’m a fan of
> >>>>> using more
> >>>>> smaller sheets with
> less info on
> each than one big
> >>>>> sheet with
> >>>>> everything.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I know, anecdote is
> not evidence.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > -a
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> -Seth
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09
> GMT-08:00
> Andrey Kuznetsov
> >>>>> <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>:
> >>>>> >> Hi,
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> So for now I've had
> a chance to
> test the
> >>>>> motherboard project on
> >>>>> my Retina macbook display.
> >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible
> zoom, feels
> like elastic band
> >>>>> zoom and I
> >>>>> have all scroll wheel
> accelerations
> and similar
> >>>>> disabled, zoom
> >>>>> response is super
> laggy, cannot work
> like this, will
> >>>>> need to make
> >>>>> schematics on windows.
> >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of
> slowness:
> >>>>> >> legacy - pretty
> slow, zoom lag is
> major, boo boo
> >>>>> >> modern (fallback) -
> decent, but
> the lag can be
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> >>>>> is minor
> >>>>> >> modern (accelerated)
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> cannot feel the
> >>>>> lag,
> >>>>> very nice,
> >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness
> >>>>> >>
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