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[Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think openoffice is a bad choice, you can easily put this into context:

EEEPC 2G comes with a 2Gb internal drive, OpenOffice installed is 500Mb,
that 25% of the entire storage taken up by an office suite.

Not exactly light is it....



On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> I agree with mario, I have always believed that Lubuntu needs to come with
> some important applications for the end user to be able to use "out of the
> box". I believe the goal is to have a distro which can run on very low
> requirements which has a great usability with the help of carefully selected
> applications for their usefulness and being light.
>
> 2009/7/1 Mario Behling <mb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hello everyone,
>>
>> it is fantastic to see people are joining and have lots of ideas. We
>> had IRC meet ups in order to have a less time-consuming way to talk to
>> each other. PCMan and others of the LXDE team took part in those
>> meetings. Besides that during recent months, we have met up among some
>> people in person for example in Singapore, Taiwan and Germany.
>>
>> About applications - decisions are not final, but we had (and have) a
>> fair bit of discussion about it already.
>>
>> I believe much depends on the goal we aim for. As I have been around
>> emerging countries during last years, I developed an idea about what
>> would be a nice thing to have in those countries. I believe lubuntu
>> can be a good thing for many people. We need to keep it lightweight,
>> but at the same time include essential features (that work for the
>> user group we aim for).
>>
>> Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African
>> countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people
>> say "you can just download and install applications on top of a
>> minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an
>> option.
>>
>> In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we
>> also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out.
>> They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420
>> screen resolution in China.
>>
>> So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first
>> thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single
>> applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later
>> point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch.
>>
>> The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest
>> something else?
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mario
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > Just in case, there was any miscommunication, the list just contain
>> possible
>> > candidates for the application category. For instance, in the web
>> browser
>> > category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others.
>> But
>> > we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen
>> Firefox
>> > for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting
>> members
>> > haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of
>> > applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK.
>> >
>> > Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with
>> regards to
>> > the decision on applications?
>> >
>> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
>> &
>> > Slow)
>> >
>> > I too have the same opinion and in the same situation as Glen. I have
>> missed
>> > out on the meetings, since only being involved in Lubuntu since
>> yesterday. I
>> > have looked at the applications list and there is too many, Lubuntu
>> could
>> > end up too heavy. This is one of the reasons I sent my first email off
>> in
>> > the mailing lists.
>> >
>> > 2009/7/1 Glen Bizeau <gbizeau@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
>> >> Wow,
>> >>
>> >> I just went through the list if apps, Thats a lot of stuff...
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I think it should be lighter than this, but I guess thats
>> >> what I get for missing the IRC meeting :)
>> >>
>> >> Will we have a chance to vote on these things? or do the IRC meetings
>> >> denote final say?
>> >>
>> >> Glen
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely
>> need
>> >> > time to follow the threads.
>> >> >
>> >> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals
>> and
>> >> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at
>> >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of the
>> >> > meeting
>> >> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the
>> >> > goals of
>> >> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what has
>> >> > transpired so far.
>> >> >
>> >> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting
>> is
>> >> > that
>> >> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality
>> and
>> >> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have
>> subjective
>> >> > meaning).
>> >> >
>> >> > The list of applications at
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
>> >> > are
>> >> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally,
>> >> > only
>> >> > one will be included from each application category.
>> >> >
>> >> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox,
>> OpenOffice.org,
>> >> > VLC
>> >> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on
>> the
>> >> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
>> >> >
>> >> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu
>> (Heavy
>> >> > &
>> >> > Slow)
>> >> >
>> >> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to
>> think
>> >> > so.
>> >> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
>> >> >>
>> >> >> May help to guide
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york <jr_jr5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Good point ed,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight,
>> what
>> >> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jon York
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ________________________________
>> >> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
>> >> >>> From: edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>> To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
>> &
>> >> >>> Slow)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu,
>> having
>> >> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its
>> all
>> >> >>> about
>> >> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to
>> have
>> >> >>> one
>> >> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is
>> >> >>> bundled
>> >> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the
>> box
>> >> >>> which
>> >> >>> works well with the LXDE environment.
>> >> >>>
>>
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