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[John Thng <johnthng83@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, however, nowadays EeePC 7 inches comes with 4 GB flash. Most emerging
countries might have hard drive more than 2 GB.
For the sake of some old models of netbook(most hard disk will have more
than 2GB), I don't think it's good to sacrifice the importance of
OpenOffice.org in emerging countries and normal users usage. OpenOffice.org
is quite important, especially in low bandwidth environment like developing
countries, it's a need to include. Because it requires a bigger disk space,
does not mean it should not be included because of that.

We should look in a bigger context. There are already distro serving the
needs of the minimal disk space dedicated netbook.

Regards
John Thng

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I think openoffice is a bad choice, you can easily put this into context:
>
> EEEPC 2G comes with a 2Gb internal drive, OpenOffice installed is 500Mb,
> that 25% of the entire storage taken up by an office suite.
>
> Not exactly light is it....
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> I agree with mario, I have always believed that Lubuntu needs to come with
>> some important applications for the end user to be able to use "out of the
>> box". I believe the goal is to have a distro which can run on very low
>> requirements which has a great usability with the help of carefully selected
>> applications for their usefulness and being light.
>>
>> 2009/7/1 Mario Behling <mb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> it is fantastic to see people are joining and have lots of ideas. We
>>> had IRC meet ups in order to have a less time-consuming way to talk to
>>> each other. PCMan and others of the LXDE team took part in those
>>> meetings. Besides that during recent months, we have met up among some
>>> people in person for example in Singapore, Taiwan and Germany.
>>>
>>> About applications - decisions are not final, but we had (and have) a
>>> fair bit of discussion about it already.
>>>
>>> I believe much depends on the goal we aim for. As I have been around
>>> emerging countries during last years, I developed an idea about what
>>> would be a nice thing to have in those countries. I believe lubuntu
>>> can be a good thing for many people. We need to keep it lightweight,
>>> but at the same time include essential features (that work for the
>>> user group we aim for).
>>>
>>> Internet bandwidth in countries like Afghanistan or in African
>>> countries is often very low. So, we need to consider this. Some people
>>> say "you can just download and install applications on top of a
>>> minimum install", in regions with limited bandwidth this is not an
>>> option.
>>>
>>> In regards to mobile devices and architectures like ARM and Mips, we
>>> also have to think that new netbooks and other devices are coming out.
>>> They often have low resolutions. I recently saw a netbook with 800x420
>>> screen resolution in China.
>>>
>>> So, I think talking about the goal of the distribution is the first
>>> thing to consider and the second step is to talk about single
>>> applications. If an applications fulfills goals well, but at a later
>>> point another application fulfills our goals better, we can switch.
>>>
>>> The question now: What is the goal of lubuntu for you? Do you suggest
>>> something else?
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Just in case, there was any miscommunication, the list just contain
>>> possible
>>> > candidates for the application category. For instance, in the web
>>> browser
>>> > category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others.
>>> But
>>> > we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen
>>> Firefox
>>> > for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting
>>> members
>>> > haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of
>>> > applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with
>>> regards to
>>> > the decision on applications?
>>> >
>>> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
>>> &
>>> > Slow)
>>> >
>>> > I too have the same opinion and in the same situation as Glen. I have
>>> missed
>>> > out on the meetings, since only being involved in Lubuntu since
>>> yesterday. I
>>> > have looked at the applications list and there is too many, Lubuntu
>>> could
>>> > end up too heavy. This is one of the reasons I sent my first email off
>>> in
>>> > the mailing lists.
>>> >
>>> > 2009/7/1 Glen Bizeau <gbizeau@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>
>>> >> Wow,
>>> >>
>>> >> I just went through the list if apps, Thats a lot of stuff...
>>> >>
>>> >> Personally, I think it should be lighter than this, but I guess thats
>>> >> what I get for missing the IRC meeting :)
>>> >>
>>> >> Will we have a chance to vote on these things? or do the IRC meetings
>>> >> denote final say?
>>> >>
>>> >> Glen
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Luther Goh Lu Feng<elfgoh@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Hi everyone,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Good to see the sudden spike in mailing list activity. I definitely
>>> need
>>> >> > time to follow the threads.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > For those unaware, we have had 3 IRC meetings to discuss the goals
>>> and
>>> >> > applications of Lubuntu. The logs are at
>>> >> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings. The objective of
>>> the
>>> >> > meeting
>>> >> > was to narrow down the list of applications, and also to decide the
>>> >> > goals of
>>> >> > Lubuntu I urge patience to go through the logs to understand what
>>> has
>>> >> > transpired so far.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I believe the goals of Lubuntu that was decided during that meeting
>>> is
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > Lubuntu will be a lightweight distro with appropriate functionality
>>> and
>>> >> > usability. (Yes, I know that functionality and usability have
>>> subjective
>>> >> > meaning).
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The list of applications at
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
>>> >> > are
>>> >> > just a list of applications we will choose for inclusion. Generally,
>>> >> > only
>>> >> > one will be included from each application category.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox,
>>> OpenOffice.org,
>>> >> > VLC
>>> >> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on
>>> the
>>> >> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > From: Ed Hewitt <edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> > To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
>>> >> > Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu
>>> (Heavy
>>> >> > &
>>> >> > Slow)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to
>>> think
>>> >> > so.
>>> >> > I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead <andrew.woodhead666@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> May help to guide
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york <jr_jr5@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Good point ed,
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight,
>>> what
>>> >> >>> will be the minimum and recommended specs?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Jon York
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> ________________________________
>>> >> >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
>>> >> >>> From: edwardahewitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> >>> To: lubuntu-desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> >>> Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu
>>> (Heavy &
>>> >> >>> Slow)
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu,
>>> having
>>> >> >>> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its
>>> all
>>> >> >>> about
>>> >> >>> lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to
>>> have
>>> >> >>> one
>>> >> >>> build, lubuntu-desktop.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is
>>> >> >>> bundled
>>> >> >>> with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the
>>> box
>>> >> >>> which
>>> >> >>> works well with the LXDE environment.
>>> >> >>>
>>>
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