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[Richard Austin <richaustin1961@xxxxxxx>]

Yorvyk - I stand corrected on Grub 2 being in Alpha - I hadn't realised it came out of beta.
Goh - I wasn't criticising Grub 2 since I have had no problems with it myself. I have heard others have and particularly with external drives as you mentioned. Since an awful lot of people are going to "give Linux a try" on an external drive it is not too good that it will most likely fail.

I do remember LILO - never did get it to work reliably myself. My first try at Linux wasn't successful because of it as I recall and I had to use Windows at the time because of a course I was taking. As a result I didn't properly adopt Linux until about 3 years ago. Now you wont get me away from it - except at work where I have no choice cos everything is flaming Microsoft! When I get my own company running it will all be Linux and no Windows in sight thankyou!

Rich

On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 16:25:12 +0800
Goh Lip <g.lip@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:42:50 +0100
> Richard Austin <richaustin1961@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > As Goh Lip said in one of his posts on this subject: Alpha versions
> > are not for newbies. Exactly why Canonical are shipping Grub 2 when
> > they know it isn't a full release I don't personally know. They have
> > their reasons i guess. I haven't had any issues myself with Grub but
> > then I'm not a newbie. I would be hesitant, however, to point a
> > newbie at a system where there is a chance it will break. They sure
> > as hell wont come back to *nix if it does.
> > I think that since there are issues with Grub it would be a good idea
> > to move away from it and use something which doesn't have issues.
> > Moaning at the LUbuntu team does no-one any good, and it really
> > annoys me when people complain about non-production versions of
> > software "breaking" - they haven't broken they have bugs which is why
> > they're in Alpha / Beta releases! If you can't fix it you shouldn't
> > have been using it - simple huh?
> > 
> > Rich
> 
> Richard, some of the reasoning to use grub2 can be found at 
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
> 
> Personally, and on top of these reasons, my take on it is....
> o grub-legacy has not been maintained for a long time  (5 years?) 
>    note others try to fill the void by super grub, etc.
> o the rescue mode to help boot  when parameters are wrong
> o the setting to (grub) boot by uuid instead of (hd0,x) and /dev/sdax
>    where it will always be wrong with multiple disks
> o When booting from external disk, the partition will always be (hd0,1)
>    regardless of actual allocation and grub-legacy will fail
> o modular construct where new innovations/additions need not require
>    the whole grub system be rebuilt
> o ability to boot iso direct by looping, (useful to test alpha's
>    without installing to hard disk) and other utility disks.
> o ability to handle raid and lvm, despite initial problems,
>    (grub-legacy and definitely lilo could not.)
> 
> Richard, even at the introduction of grub2, it is far far superior to
> grub-legacy, and the only fault is the lack of documentation to assist
> users. Also many people are already familiar with grub-legacy and the
> ease to modify menu.lst makes using grub2 a harder task. It is always
> easier to learn a new task than to unlearn an old one.
> 
> Since you mentioned you are not a newbie, can you remember using
> LILO?   ;)  [roaring laughter]  LOL
> 
> Take care. Regards - Goh Lip
> -- 
> I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas.
> I'm frightened of the old ones.
> 
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Richard Austin <richaustin1961@xxxxxxx>