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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi again Walter,

You wrote "Well, at this point it seems LVM only works if you already
have LVM set up."

That statement is not true. The problem is not that bad for 32-bit
Lubuntu. It works if you wipe the drive and make a new MSDOS partition
table. And it is the same problem for the alternate and desktop
installers (plus an issue with zRAM in the desktop installer).

But I agree that the test case does not run smoothly. I hope that my
detailed description (how to make it work) will help the developers fix
the problem, wherever it is. There might be several issues, the one with
the 64-bit system might be another, than what makes it difficult with
the 32-bit system, or it might be the same issue.

I think that the extra steps that I found necessary can be added into
the installer, if it is easier than to debug the problem (that occurred
after utopic was released).

I will look at the links you gave me and try to help with the testcases :-)

Best regards
Nio

Den 2015-02-27 19:36, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
> Your [bug comment][1] alone is telling, Nio. It basically agrees that
> it's not behaving correctly. Long story short is if you do a bunch of
> things that are inconsistent with the [testcase][2] and probably not
> intuitive to any average user, then it works. That's simply not good
> enough.
> 
> If you do want to help with testcases, I emphasize how important it is
> to make sure that we have matching testcases for both desktop and
> alternate. Please make sure to read the documentation on styles and
> such. A hint on that: there's no such thing as a "Lubuntu" testcase.
> 
> [1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1425681/comments/10
> [2]: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/image/1439_Alternate%20Install%20%28Encryption%29
> 
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi Walter,
>>
>> If I can prove? In my opinion my test reports at the QA-tracker and the
>> mails to you show in detail what I did and what results I had. If that
>> is not enough, I'm sorry. I can't come to your place and show in your
>> computer ;-) What I can do is write a comment in the bug report 1425681.
>>
>> I accept that you decide to remove the LVM + encryption testcase. But I
>> think it was based on information that was not complete. If you have
>> general reasons to reduce the testcases, OK.
>>
>> I can't find that particular text for the removed testcase. I tried, but
>> it is not easy to search in the Launchpad jungle. If you want me to
>> help, please send a direct link!
>>
>> Best regards
>> Nio
>>
>> Den 2015-02-27 17:13, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>>> I have to rely on what I hear from testers, especially when multiple
>>> testers report the same thing:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1425681
>>> If you can prove that it is not true, then perhaps that might suggest
>>> other behaviors.
>>>
>>> Still, I don't want LVM to be a mandatory testcase. I'm concerned more
>>> about the many. When we have more resources, I'll make it mandatory
>>> again :-)
>>>
>>> The old testcase still exists, but I'm not using it. You can find out
>>> how to find them and how to contribute here:
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual
>>>
>>> @wxl
>>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2015 10:36 PM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Walter,
>>>
>>>     It is *not* true that LVM only works if you already have LVM set up. It
>>>     works also from a blank drive (with only a partition table created by
>>>     for example gparted, no partitions at all). And it works with Lubuntu
>>>     Vivid 32-bit installed from the desktop as well as from the alternate
>>>     installer. Did you read my test reports?
>>>
>>>     I can only talk for myself: I can continue to test that Lubuntu works
>>>     with LVM, encrypted disk and encrypted home.
>>>
>>>     But we would have to rely on someone else to squash bugs encountered
>>>     during the testing. In this particular case we can have a 'plan B', to
>>>     add some extra steps that were not necessary in earlier versions of
>>>     Lubuntu. If you give me access to the text of the previous testcase, I
>>>     can add and modify it to make it useful in the future (either for the
>>>     desktop or the alternate installer). And you can revive it.
>>>
>>>     You are the QA leader and you can remove or add whatever test cases you
>>>     like. I hope your decisions are the best for Lubuntu.
>>>
>>>     Best regards
>>>     Nio
>>>
>>>     Den 2015-02-26 23:34, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>>>     > Well, at this point it seems LVM only works if you already have LVM
>>>     > set up. This seems to be problematic.
>>>     >
>>>     > Also, it's imperative that we limit our scope in order to not get
>>>     > overwhelmed. We have a small team and can only do so much. The scope I
>>>     > consider appropriate includes packages we can support ourselves or
>>>     > that have good support in the community. Ultimately, this does not
>>>     > apply to debian-installer. However, alternate images are a necessary
>>>     > evil. So then I would limit the scope to what parts of
>>>     > debian-installer are relevant to the average user. Encryption arguably
>>>     > is applicable, but LVM is certainly not.
>>>     >
>>>     > That being said, I'd be happy to include optional testcases (meaning
>>>     > if they fail, the release will not be delayed) for LVM and encryption,
>>>     > but I would want these to be separate.
>>>     >
>>>     > So who wants to make sure the LVM bug gets fixed and the testcases get
>>>     > rewritten? That includes making sure that that equivalent testcases
>>>     > are written for ubiquity (which will also be optional). If someone
>>>     > wants to do the work, I'll set them up on the tracker.
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:31 AM, Lars Noodén
>>>     <lars.nooden@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:lars.nooden@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>     >> On 26.02.2015 08 <tel:26.02.2015%2008>:36, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>>     >>> ...
>>>     >>> @ Walter: I suggest that we have at least one testcase with LVM,
>>>     >>> encrypted disk and encrypted home. If we cannot keep the one
>>>     that exists
>>>     >>> now for the alternate iso, I suggest that we make one for the
>>>     desktop iso.
>>>     >>> ...
>>>     >>
>>>     >> +1 it is important to be able to offer encryption,
>>>     >> without a test case it might fall to the wayside
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Regards,
>>>     >> /Lars
>>>     >>
>>>     >>
>>>     >>
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