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[Walter Lapchynski <wxl@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Your [bug comment][1] alone is telling, Nio. It basically agrees that
it's not behaving correctly. Long story short is if you do a bunch of
things that are inconsistent with the [testcase][2] and probably not
intuitive to any average user, then it works. That's simply not good
enough.

If you do want to help with testcases, I emphasize how important it is
to make sure that we have matching testcases for both desktop and
alternate. Please make sure to read the documentation on styles and
such. A hint on that: there's no such thing as a "Lubuntu" testcase.

[1]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1425681/comments/10
[2]: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/view/head:/testcases/image/1439_Alternate%20Install%20%28Encryption%29

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Walter,
>
> If I can prove? In my opinion my test reports at the QA-tracker and the
> mails to you show in detail what I did and what results I had. If that
> is not enough, I'm sorry. I can't come to your place and show in your
> computer ;-) What I can do is write a comment in the bug report 1425681.
>
> I accept that you decide to remove the LVM + encryption testcase. But I
> think it was based on information that was not complete. If you have
> general reasons to reduce the testcases, OK.
>
> I can't find that particular text for the removed testcase. I tried, but
> it is not easy to search in the Launchpad jungle. If you want me to
> help, please send a direct link!
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2015-02-27 17:13, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>> I have to rely on what I hear from testers, especially when multiple
>> testers report the same thing:
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1425681
>> If you can prove that it is not true, then perhaps that might suggest
>> other behaviors.
>>
>> Still, I don't want LVM to be a mandatory testcase. I'm concerned more
>> about the many. When we have more resources, I'll make it mandatory
>> again :-)
>>
>> The old testcase still exists, but I'm not using it. You can find out
>> how to find them and how to contribute here:
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual
>>
>> @wxl
>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2015 10:36 PM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Walter,
>>
>>     It is *not* true that LVM only works if you already have LVM set up. It
>>     works also from a blank drive (with only a partition table created by
>>     for example gparted, no partitions at all). And it works with Lubuntu
>>     Vivid 32-bit installed from the desktop as well as from the alternate
>>     installer. Did you read my test reports?
>>
>>     I can only talk for myself: I can continue to test that Lubuntu works
>>     with LVM, encrypted disk and encrypted home.
>>
>>     But we would have to rely on someone else to squash bugs encountered
>>     during the testing. In this particular case we can have a 'plan B', to
>>     add some extra steps that were not necessary in earlier versions of
>>     Lubuntu. If you give me access to the text of the previous testcase, I
>>     can add and modify it to make it useful in the future (either for the
>>     desktop or the alternate installer). And you can revive it.
>>
>>     You are the QA leader and you can remove or add whatever test cases you
>>     like. I hope your decisions are the best for Lubuntu.
>>
>>     Best regards
>>     Nio
>>
>>     Den 2015-02-26 23:34, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>>     > Well, at this point it seems LVM only works if you already have LVM
>>     > set up. This seems to be problematic.
>>     >
>>     > Also, it's imperative that we limit our scope in order to not get
>>     > overwhelmed. We have a small team and can only do so much. The scope I
>>     > consider appropriate includes packages we can support ourselves or
>>     > that have good support in the community. Ultimately, this does not
>>     > apply to debian-installer. However, alternate images are a necessary
>>     > evil. So then I would limit the scope to what parts of
>>     > debian-installer are relevant to the average user. Encryption arguably
>>     > is applicable, but LVM is certainly not.
>>     >
>>     > That being said, I'd be happy to include optional testcases (meaning
>>     > if they fail, the release will not be delayed) for LVM and encryption,
>>     > but I would want these to be separate.
>>     >
>>     > So who wants to make sure the LVM bug gets fixed and the testcases get
>>     > rewritten? That includes making sure that that equivalent testcases
>>     > are written for ubiquity (which will also be optional). If someone
>>     > wants to do the work, I'll set them up on the tracker.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:31 AM, Lars Noodén
>>     <lars.nooden@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:lars.nooden@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>     >> On 26.02.2015 08 <tel:26.02.2015%2008>:36, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>     >>> ...
>>     >>> @ Walter: I suggest that we have at least one testcase with LVM,
>>     >>> encrypted disk and encrypted home. If we cannot keep the one
>>     that exists
>>     >>> now for the alternate iso, I suggest that we make one for the
>>     desktop iso.
>>     >>> ...
>>     >>
>>     >> +1 it is important to be able to offer encryption,
>>     >> without a test case it might fall to the wayside
>>     >>
>>     >> Regards,
>>     >> /Lars
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
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