I agree that the "install alongside" option can be replaced by
manual
partitioning. That is of course it is a method that a beginner to
Linux
would understand. However, the risk of overwriting something would
be to
high. We should keep the first option and test it not that it works
but
for areas that can be improved.
As for manual partition testing and encryption, both are vital.
However,
encryption will be used if the system is being deployed in an
enterprise
environment. Linux experts I have luckly communicated with highly
charish RedHat. Just a suggestion, we could make the encryption
testcase
optional. We are not forced to test it but it is still there.
On Mar 4, 2015 12:30 PM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
[replying at the end]
Den 2015-03-04 18:11, Brendan Perrine skrev:
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2015 08:57:41 -0800
> Walter Lapchynski <wxl@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wxl@xxxxxxxxxx>>
wrote:
>
>> I'd say if Ubuntu in general considers it an edge case, it
probably is.
>>
>> @wxl
>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
>> On Mar 4, 2015 8:54 AM, "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi again,
>>>
>>> I want to add:
>>>
>>> 1. I really think we should have a test-case for 'Encrypted
LVM'
>>>
>>> 2. I can think of situations, when 'Encrypted home' is a
better
>>> alternative. We can add such a test-case, if the Lubuntu
users
think it
>>> is important.
>>>
>>> As it is now, these two test-cases would be independent,
because
it does
>>> no longer work with them in combination. If it is
important, we
can ask
>>> the developers to fix the bug(s) so that the original
alternate
>>> test-case works again.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>> Den 2015-03-04 17:24, Nio Wiklund skrev:
>>>> Hi Walter,
>>>>
>>>> Encrypted LVM is *the* test-case in all other Ubuntu
flavours
including
>>>> Ubuntu server. I really think we should test it, not only
LVM.
>>>> 'Encrypted disk' is implemented via LVM.
>>>>
>>>> Lubuntu is a special case with 'encrypted LVM', and inside
it
'encrypted
>>>> home'. What I suggest is to remove 'encrypted home' from
the
test-case.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Nio
>>>>
>>>> Den 2015-03-04 17:15, Walter Lapchynski skrev:
>>>>> I agree there's no reason to wait for desktop to
implement the
change to
>>>>> alternate. I do, however want to emphasize that
encryption is
more
>>>>> valuable to the average user than LVM. Maybe we should
separate these
>>>>> testcases for now? Then at some point in the future, we
could
create a
>>>>> combined one. Or is encrypted LVM a really unique case?
>>>>>
>>>>> @wxl
>>>>> Lubuntu Release Manager, Head of QA
>>>>> Ubuntu PPC Point of Contact
>>>>> Ubuntu Oregon Team Leader
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2015 8:05 AM, "Nio Wiklund"
<nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Den 2015-03-04 14:38, Lars Noodén skrev:
>>>>> > On 04.03.2015 14:50, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>>>> >> Hi Walter, Lars, Phill and all other Lubuntu users
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think we have a working alternative, that should
be
rather
>>> easy to
>>>>> >> implement for the Alternate Install (Encryption)
test-cases (for
>>> the
>>>>> >> i386 as well as the amd64 iso files).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> @ Walter and Lars: Can we agree to modify the
(alternate)
>>> test-cases?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> @ Lars: ... and when agreed, will you edit the
alternate
>>> test-cases?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> @ Walter and Lars: The next step will be to design
corresponding
>>>>> >> test-cases for the Lubuntu desktop iso files.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I can try modifying the Alternate encryption case,
if
someone can
>>>>> remind
>>>>> > me of the URL to the right guide to do that, when
the time
>>> comes. The
>>>>> > hard part is not the HTML but dealing with bazaar
and then
>>>>> following the
>>>>> > right procedure for a pull. Would that be for
15.04 or
for 15.10?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/
<http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/>
>>>>> <
>>>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-testcase/ubuntu-manual-tests/trunk/files/head:/testcases/image/
>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > For 16.04, it would be best if the installers
handled
encryption
>>>>> > properly so that workarounds like dropping to the
shell
are not
>>> needed
>>>>> > for full disk encryption.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> ...
>>>>> >> @ everybody:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Skipping 'encrypted home inside encrypted disk with
LVM' makes
>>> things
>>>>> >> much easier to get working. ...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Encrypted home is probably important if there are
multiple users
>>>>> or one
>>>>> > user with multiple roles on the machine. For the
full
hard disk
>>>>> > encryption I see a main use-case as being work
laptops that
>>> travel and
>>>>> > thus at risk of being lost or stolen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> > /Lars
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lars,
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. I hope we can agree very soon about the alternate
encryption
>>>>> test-cases, and do it for 15.04, but I can fully
understand, that
>>> Walter
>>>>> or some other important persons may want to wait and
think
twice
>>> before
>>>>> changing these test-cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. What I suggested today does not imply any dropping
to a
shell.
>>>>> Without encrypted home the alternate test-cases will
be
smooth. But
>>> I'm
>>>>> waiting for someone (you, Lars?) to verify my test
results.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. I agree that 'Encrypted home' is important if
there are
multiple
>>>>> users or one user with multiple roles on the machine.
But
must it be
>>>>> combined with encrypted disk and LVM?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. I think creating the corresponding test-cases for
the
desktop
>>>>> installer needs more time, but modifying the alternate
test-cases
>>> need
>>>>> not wait for the desktop ones to be ready for
publishing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Nio
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
> I also conisder that manual partitioning would be more
important
as I would want to employ that in production as a user more
often
than encryption because I don't want to lose my own data if I
lose
the key.
>
Hi Brendan,
I think both manual partitioning and encryption are important.
We have a
manual partitioning test-case for the Lubuntu desktop
installers. I
think both are worthwhile.
If I have to rank the test-cases and skip the least valuable
one, I
would skip 'install alongside'. Users at the Ubuntu Forums have
big
problems because of that option (overwriting Windows), and
several
people (including the installer guru Oldfred) warn about it.
The worst
bugs are squashed now, but in order to control installations
for dual
booting, we really need the manual method alias 'Something
else'.
On the other hand, it is important that 'install alongside'
works as
well as possible, because it will affect beginners. So it is
important
that it is tested too.
Best regards
Nio
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