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[Yeastplume <yeastplume@xxxxxxxxx>]

All,

As a moderator for this list, I'd like to politely ask that everyone
refrain from further ML posts on this topic. As we have a very large number
of people subscribed, we need to be respectful toward those who may just be
subscribed to keep up to date with announcements or new technical
developments.

I've created a placeholder topic on our forums for further discussion of
our Code of Conduct, and I invite anyone who is interested to place further
thoughts there.

Thank you for your understanding.

https://www.grin-forum.org/t/code-of-conduct/818


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:19 PM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@xxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:09 AM, 0xb100d <0xb1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Luke you are spamming (which is worse than trolling)
> > posting links to your crowdfunding page.
>
>  ok, so i apologise: and at the same time i feel compelled to point
> out three fundamental assumptions that you've made.  (1) you've
> assumed that it's a profit-maximising business (2) you've assumed that
> it was deliberate and intentional (3) you've assumed that i want
> people here to know about that ethical eco-conscious project.
>
>  it was definitely not intentional.  think about this: given the
> ferocity of the attacks and the "blaming" that's occurred, do you
> *really* imagine that i would want people here to even *know* about
> the project(s) that i'm actively working on?  do you think i want
> their negativity directed at work that i'm doing?  do you think i want
> to risk having them contact people from the project and go, "oh, yeah,
> that fucking moron that keeps on attacking our project, yeah he's a
> total dick, don't buy anything from him, for god's sake!!!!"
>
>   ... yeah?
>
>  also: it's an ethical eco-conscious project.  i'm not legally
> permitted to make a profit on it (not permitted to be directly
> associated with a profit-maximising business) during the fulfilment of
> the campaign.
>
>  so it most certainly is *not* my intent to have people here even
> *know* about that project.  the problem is, i'm barely able to keep up
> with the messages, having been caught off-guard by the ferocity and
> quantity of peoples' responses (even after having unsubscribed), it's
> a ".sig" from gmail, which is often "elided" (hidden), and i forget to
> explicitly look for it and remove it.
>
>  so, apologies.
>
>  anyway.  the Titanian's Code of Honour.  let me think for a bit about
> what you suggest, out loud so-to-speak.  do i want to start a "blog"
> (where i would need to spend time and resources evaluating whether and
> how to set one up that complies with the ethical criteria that i set),
> with the specific intent and purpose, spending my time and energy, to
> write something about the Titanian's Code of Honour for people on the
> mimblewimble project to read, posting it here at some point in the
> future for them to consider?
>
>  let's consider what the consequences of that would be. after spending
> my personal time and energy, taking up my resources to do so when
> there was no offer of compensation or reward or incentive (i.e.
> causing *me* "harm"), chances are quite high that i would then be
> accused once again of "spamming links" (which would cause me "harm"),
> or "advertising" (again, "harm" to me), and given that the project
> leader and others have been so vocal in "blaming" me, i honestly and
> seriously doubt that it would be read, i.e. my time would have been
> wasted (no possibility of reward, therefore "harm" done to me by
> having my time and resources wasted).
>
>  which is pretty much the definition of violating the Titanian's Code of
> Honour.
>
>  so a simple thought experiment shows that to do what you suggested
> would in fact be highly unethical.  in the current psychological
> climate of this project, there would actually be significant harm done
> *to me* by taking the action that you suggest.
>
>  now, if on the other hand there had been an offer of financial
> compensation, or an apology from the developers indicating that they
> really didn't know what had gotten into them, it's like they were
> possessed or something and they're really really sorry for the attacks
> that they've been carrying out, and won't do it again (etc. etc.),
> *then* i would feel that there was a safe environment in which to
> actually contribute.
>
>  [ i have to tell you: right now i feel *really* intimidated and
> deeply alarmed by the behaviour of people on this list, and in
> absolutely NO WAY encouraged to contribute.  would you? ]
>
>  so that alone should be a quite useful demonstration of how the
> Titanian's Code of Honour can be applied.
>
> l.
>
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