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OpenShot Help Manual - 4th progress report
Hello Jonathan,
When I went on the gtalk site it said it was only available for
microsoft windoze. So I didn't go any further. I will have to look at
how to get onto gtalk next week because I'm concentrating on the manual
right now.
I am going to try doing my first push to the help-manual branch later
this evening. I still need to do several things before that. This
includes working out how to configure bzr to use my login to Launchpad
etc.
I've been studying the Jokosher code to see how they integrated with
Gnome Help. When I'm ready, I'll register a detailed blueprint for the
code changes.
I haven't got the manual completely debianised yet, but much of it is
already done. I'm making it a package called openshot-docs.
We should hopefully have the first beta release ready sometime next
week.
The version numbering is following conventional Gnome Documentation
Project rules. This help manual is for running on Gnome 2, and so the
openshot-docs version number starts with a 2.
So the first beta is called openshot-docs_2.0.1.deb
I've been testing the manual in Yelp (Gnome Help)
Until I've got a full installable .deb, the way to read the help manual
is to use the following command:
yelp ghelp:/<full path to xml file>/openshot.xml
You will find a file in there called "legal.xml". This file must remain
untouched so that we comply with the rules of the Gnome Documentation
Project.
How is your debianisation going?
I imagine you will have to produce custom .deb packages for each of the
libraries used, along with the .deb package for openshot itself?
It looks like a lot of work initially!
Best wishes, Helen
On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 12:02 -0500, Jonathan Thomas wrote:
> Helen, like Olivier mentioned, I think you have to have a gmail
> account to use it with pidgin. On a side-note, gmail is the best
> email app I've ever used. If you've never looked into it before, you
> should research it a bit. I think you would like it.
>
> Thanks,
> -Jonathan
>
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Olivier Girard <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> Hello Helen
> Thanks to answer at my questions
> Very Good work and perhaps like you have sad we must open
> another branch for the manuel. So we'll discuss with
> jonathan.
> i have seen the links but i 'm not yet go to see. But the
> structure look simple (à 1ere vue)
> You can talk in gmail with gtalk. you have only click with the
> personn than you want. For pidgin it's a little more
> compliced. In fact not really (all is simple when you know but
> not when it's the opposite). Look at the french or english
> ubuntu documentation.
> install pidgin with synaptic. run it and create a compte
> gmail. in the essentail onglet :
> protocole gtalk ou xmmp
> tonlogin gmail
> domaine gmail.com
> ressource home par exemple don't matter
> rentre ton mot de passe gmail
> choisi tonlogo (taille 192*192)
> coche la case audessus (je sais plus ce que c'est)
> Dans l'ongelt avance
> coche le 1er use ssl/tls
> port connexion 5222(normalement ok)
> serveur de connection talk.google.com
> and that's all
> reconnecte-le et tu doir avoir d'abord une prise (tentative de
> connection) et quand c'est bon une bulle blanche avec un rond
> vert.
> @jonathan
> for our conversation about cration .deb, try this programm
> it's better than chekinstall and it's graphical and not only
> ubuntu but for all debian. And with alien we can imagine
> create some rpm!!!!!!
> The link is here
> Have you look for the creation .pot file. i'm thinking than we
> 'll have the software traduce in spanish french italian german
> finnish.
> See you later perhaps
> Tchao Olivier
>
> 2009/7/19 Helen McCall <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Bonjour Olivier,
>
> I will answer all your questions. I will have to
> answer in English
> because my French is not good enough yet for some of
> what I will say.
>
> I will answer your questions in reverse order. I will
> start with your
> last question.
>
> The links at the end of our emails are because
> Jonathan and I are
> sending our emails through the Openshot.developers
> list server. This is
> the private email discussion list for the the OpenShot
> Developers team
> that you have joined.
>
> If you look at the message header for this email, you
> will see the Cc:
> line shows the email address to send to our Openshot
> Developers
> discussion list. Sending to this address ensures that
> all our team (5
> peaople) will be kept informed about what is happening
> on our project.
>
> About gtalk: I didn't know that you could access gtalk
> from Linux. I
> didn't know that you could use pidgin to do it. I will
> have to look at
> this next week so I can talk with you and Jonathan.
>
> About the new help-manual branch on launchpad:
>
> I will push the file system hierarchy to the
> help-manual branch soon. I
> am building the file system for this branch so that we
> will be able to
> automatically generate .deb package files from it at
> any point we like
> in the development of the help manual.
>
> I am at present writing the various control files
> needed to build and
> install the Help Manual as a Ubuntu/Debian package.
> When I have tested
> this to ensure it works safely, I will push this file
> system and the
> outline stage of the manual to the help-manual branch.
>
> Then you will be able to download the package file
> system and files to
> your computer.
>
> When we get to that point, we will be able to discuss
> with Jonathan the
> best way for us to all work on this manual.
>
> We might either have a separate
> help-manual-<developers-name> branch
> which I can merge together at agreed intervals, or we
> might have an
> agreed work plan of who works on what part at what
> time on one branch.
>
> We can discuss this with Jonathan next week when I
> have the basic debian
> package structure up on Launchpad.
>
> In the meanwhile, if you practice using Docbook XML to
> write Gnome Help
> files, and read the links on the Gnome Documentation
> Project which you
> will find on the link I sent you, you will then
> understand more of what
> we are going to be doing.
>
> Tchao, Helen
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 21:37 +0200, Olivier Girard
> wrote:
> > Hello and thanks a lot for your help.
> >
> > It's exactly that i don't know familar with bazaar
> and, launchpad and
> > participate in a project in fact. All It's new for
> me.
> > It's very nice to your part to help me. I have
> generated my key, i
> > have sucessed to be identified between bazaar and
> launchpad but i
> > can't have access to help-manuel. I'have read all
> your links and
> > othersbut i have an error :
> > bzr: ERROR: Target directory
> > lp:~openshot.developers/openshot/help-manual already
> exists, but does
> > not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply
> --use-existing-dir to push
> > there anyway.
> > In fact i don't undersand something, According to
> the doc, i must
> > create a branch to have acces at another. To have
> the code, i have
> > understand but to participate really no.
> > Ten minutes after this words, i have done something
> and i have now a
> > folder help-manuel empty, that's normal ? So now i
> have a folder for
> > the help-manual and the software.
> > In all cases, it's not my day.
> > I have tried to create a virtualization of two
> ubuntu (32 and 64 )
> > that's out.
> > I have tried the new version (0.94), it's the same
> thing (it's crashed
> > when i import a file!!!)
> > i have play with openshot (old version i have yet
> acces thanks to
> > helen) and i don't find how have more time with the
> transitions
> > i have not all understand with bazaar
> > Thes points positif are for lprod (it a good new
> because the software
> > has been to test without my intervention, i have
> said that the french
> > communauty have seen the first post on sum-up) and
> the second i have
> > modified the french page of wikipedia on
> AVCHD.(another thing that
> > i've never done).
> > I 'm reading the dockbook and for the moment, i
> understand, it 's a
> > good point.
> > Now, i'm going to rip a little film that i have done
> this morning
> > about my little river which will complate the film
> about my little
> > cat.
> > If you want speak on gtalk, you can (and i have
> success to work
> > pidgin).
> > Tchao
> > Olivier
> > Oh another last question: how you do to have at the
> end all the links
> > like this:
> > Mailing list:
> https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers
> > Post to :
> openshot.developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Unsubscribe :
> https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers
> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
> >
> > 2009/7/18 Helen McCall <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Thanks for that Jonathan,
> >
> > I'll have a look at it tomorrow or Sunday.
> >
> > I think Olivier means he needs to generate a
> key first so he
> > can upload
> > to Launchpad. I generated my key when I
> first registered.
> >
> > I took a break from XML coding, and got to
> work on building
> > the correct
> > form of directory structure to base the
> whole documentation
> > package on.
> > I've started writing the Makefiles and other
> control and
> > information
> > files needed.
> >
> > It is coming along slowly because I'm having
> to learn how to
> > do things
> > at every stage. :~)
> >
> > I keep wondering what comments this Manual
> will get from
> > 66666er! I
> > suspect that kid is aged 13 and 3/4!
> >
> > I'm going to bed now because I'm exhausted.
> I'm getting up
> > early
> > tomorrow to go out with a friend.
> >
> > Tchao, Helen
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 17:21 -0500, Jonathan
> Thomas wrote:
> > > I'm not sure if you are familiar with
> bazaar (the source
> > control in
> > > LaunchPad). You need to create a local
> bzr repository with
> > your
> > > folder / files. Then commit your changes
> locally. And
> > finally, push
> > > your local commits to your new branch:
> > >
> lp:~openshot.developers/openshot/help-manual
> > >
> > > After you get it setup, you only have to
> commit changes, and
> > push them
> > > back to bazaar. It's quite easy after
> it's all setup.
> > >
> > > Bazaar in 5 minutes:
> > >
> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -Jonathan
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Olivier
> Girard
> > <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > Helen
> > > That's good i have found (i'm
> thinking) but we must
> > have a key
> > > for upload the manuel.
> > >
> > >
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/7/17 Olivier Girard
> <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Helen
> > > Sorry i'm now on launchpad
> but i don't find
> > the new
> > > branch for the manuel.
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > > 2009/7/17 Olivier Girard
> > <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > It's a very good
> job. i have a
> > little speak on
> > > gtalk with
> jonathan for the first
> > time. Now he
> > > have a meeting but
> Would you join
> > us. But how
> > > at tree, i don't
> know. We could
> > speak about
> > > the manuel.
> > > Olivier
> > >
> > > 2009/7/17 Helen
> McCall
> > >
> <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >
> > > Good
> thinking!
> > >
> > > I'll add
> you to the
> > Authors. :-)
> > >
> > > Tchao,
> Helen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri,
> 2009-07-17 at 14:41
> > -0500,
> > > Jonathan
> Thomas wrote:
> > > > Sounds
> great Helen! Let
> > me know
> > > once you
> publish your files
> > into the
> > > >
> help-manual branch. Also,
> > I would
> > > be happy
> to author some of
> > the
> > > > sections
> of the
> > help-manual, once I
> > > get some
> free time. Once we
> > are
> > > > all
> happy with the
> > structure of the
> > > manual,
> maybe we could split
> > up
> > > > some of
> the sections and
> > double-team
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > Also, I
> have 70+ blog
> > entries on
> > > OpenShot,
> covering all sorts
> > of
> > > > topics.
> Lots of
> > screenshots also.
> > > Even
> though it's written in
> > a
> > > >
> different style than a
> > help manual,
> > > hopefully
> we will be able to
> > use
> > > > some of
> that content.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> -Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > On Fri,
> Jul 17, 2009 at
> > 2:23 PM,
> > > Helen
> McCall
> > > >
> > <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> Hello Olivier and
> > Jonathan,
> > > >
> > > >
> I'm making
> > progress setting
> > > out the
> structure in Gnome
> > Help
> > > >
> format
> > > >
> (Docbook XML), and
> > I'm
> > > testing it
> in the Gnome Help
> > system
> > > >
> (Yelp) as I'm
> > > >
> going.
> > > >
> > > >
> I'm using
> > Jonathan's screen
> > > shots for
> now to save time.
> > > >
> > > >
> I've put in
> > credits:
> > > >
> > > >
> Authors: Helen
> > McCall and
> > > Olivier
> Girard
> > > >
> Contributor:
> > Jonathan Thomas
> > > >
> Translator:
> > Olivier Girard
> > > >
> OpenShot
> > Developer: Jonathan
> > > Thomas
> > > >
> OpenShot
> > Contributor: Andy
> > > Finch for
> the titling
> > system.
> > > >
> > > >
> Manual Copyright:
> > Helen
> > > McCall,
> Olivier Girard,
> > Jonathan
> > > >
> Thomas 2009
> > > >
> Publisher: Gnome
> > >
> Documentation Project
> > > >
> > > >
> I've registered a
> > new branch
> > > in
> launchpad for the Manual:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > lp:~openshot.developers/openshot/help-manual
> > > >
> > > >
> I've set the
> > "owner" to
> > > "OpenShot
> Developers" so we
> > can all
> > > >
> access it.
> > > >
> > > >
> Tchao, Helen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> > > Mailing
> list:
> > >
> > https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers
> > > Post to
> :
> > >
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> > >
> Unsubscribe :
> > >
> > https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers
> > > More help
> :
> > >
> > https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
> > >
> > >
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Follow ups
References
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OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Helen McCall, 2009-07-17
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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Helen McCall, 2009-07-17
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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Olivier Girard, 2009-07-17
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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Olivier Girard, 2009-07-17
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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Olivier Girard, 2009-07-17
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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Jonathan Thomas, 2009-07-17
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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Helen McCall, 2009-07-18
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Your questions Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Helen McCall, 2009-07-18
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Re: Your questions Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Olivier Girard, 2009-07-19
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Re: Your questions Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 3rd progress report
From: Jonathan Thomas, 2009-07-19
