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[David Kranz <david.kranz@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Both points of view being expressed about this with respect to log error 
messages are valid and need to be accommodated.
An answer, as was suggested a while back, is for error messages to have 
two parts:

1. A locale-independent part that can be used for searches or understood 
by developers who get logs as parts of bug reports.
2.  A localized part that lets operators determine if the problem is 
their issue or an OpenStack bug to be reported.

The current English string would serve the first role, and the logging 
code could be changed to also emit the localized string if available. I 
would argue
for this only in the case of ERROR messages and not DEBUG.

While on the subject of logs, it would be good to agree on what actions 
should cause errors in logs to appear. Ideally, they would only occur if 
an OpenStack bug
was detected (out-of-bounds array ref, etc.) or some operational problem 
occurred (disk ran out of space, etc.). Right now errors are sometimes 
output for other
reasons such as bad arguments to api calls. This makes it difficult for 
an operator to know when a real problem with the system has occurred.

David Kranz
Quanta Research Cambridge




On 4/12/2012 9:06 AM, Sheng Bo Hou wrote:
> Dear OpenStack friends,
>
> It will be happy and great for our OpenStack community to see this 
> open project open to more market all over the world.
> In China, OpenStack community is very active. I heard many Chinese 
> engineers talking about their wish to have a Chinese versioned 
> openStack, including documentation's, manuals, user interfaces, error 
> messages, etc in OpenStack meet-ups.
> I have many European friends and also Danish friends, since I used to 
> do my university there. They all spoke perfect English, which made me 
> admire, cos they were linguists in my point of view. Oriental 
> languages are different. They are "too far" from the western lingual 
> system. In China, there are many talented engineers, who are not that 
> kind of "linguists", but they are lover of open source. I think it is 
> amazing to open the "door" to them. In China, it is very appreciated 
> for software to be localized as much as possible.
> I used to google or baidu(a famous Chinese search engine) error 
> messages and logs in Chinese for other software, though it is not 
> Apache. I found a lot of useful references in Chinese, because it has 
> been localized. If it is not localized well first, of course it does 
> not have the google or yahoo ability to search.:-)
> So far I am rather grateful for all the messages following this i18 
> issue. Thank you so much.
>
> Best wishes.
> Vincent Hou (???)
>
> Software Engineer, Standards Growth Team, Emerging Technology 
> Institute, IBM China Software Development Lab
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> Tel: 86-10-82450778 Fax: 86-10-82453660
> Notes ID: Sheng Bo Hou/China/IBM@IBMCN    E-mail: sbhou@xxxxxxxxxx
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> *Soren Hansen <soren@xxxxxxxxxxx>*
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> 2012-04-12 19:50
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> 	Re: [Openstack] I18n issue for OpenStack
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> Don't get me wrong.. I'd be happy to have the various openstack
> clients offer localised error messages. I'd also encourage a
> centralised effort to collect these translationns (so that all the
> various language bindings will use the same localised error messages).
>
> On the server, though, I believe we should stick to English and
> perhaps have every error message include a link (e.g.
> http://docs.openstack.doc/exception/NoNetworksDefinedException) to a
> localised docs site. I think losing the ability to search the web for
> error messages would be a major loss.
>
> --
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