Both points of view being expressed about this with respect to log error
messages are valid and need to be accommodated.
An answer, as was suggested a while back, is for error messages to have
two parts:
1. A locale-independent part that can be used for searches or understood
by developers who get logs as parts of bug reports.
2. A localized part that lets operators determine if the problem is
their issue or an OpenStack bug to be reported.
The current English string would serve the first role, and the logging
code could be changed to also emit the localized string if available. I
would argue
for this only in the case of ERROR messages and not DEBUG.
While on the subject of logs, it would be good to agree on what actions
should cause errors in logs to appear. Ideally, they would only occur if
an OpenStack bug
was detected (out-of-bounds array ref, etc.) or some operational problem
occurred (disk ran out of space, etc.). Right now errors are sometimes
output for other
reasons such as bad arguments to api calls. This makes it difficult for
an operator to know when a real problem with the system has occurred.
David Kranz
Quanta Research Cambridge
On 4/12/2012 9:06 AM, Sheng Bo Hou wrote:
Dear OpenStack friends,
It will be happy and great for our OpenStack community to see this
open project open to more market all over the world.
In China, OpenStack community is very active. I heard many Chinese
engineers talking about their wish to have a Chinese versioned
openStack, including documentation's, manuals, user interfaces, error
messages, etc in OpenStack meet-ups.
I have many European friends and also Danish friends, since I used to
do my university there. They all spoke perfect English, which made me
admire, cos they were linguists in my point of view. Oriental
languages are different. They are "too far" from the western lingual
system. In China, there are many talented engineers, who are not that
kind of "linguists", but they are lover of open source. I think it is
amazing to open the "door" to them. In China, it is very appreciated
for software to be localized as much as possible.
I used to google or baidu(a famous Chinese search engine) error
messages and logs in Chinese for other software, though it is not
Apache. I found a lot of useful references in Chinese, because it has
been localized. If it is not localized well first, of course it does
not have the google or yahoo ability to search.:-)
So far I am rather grateful for all the messages following this i18
issue. Thank you so much.
Best wishes.
Vincent Hou (侯胜博)
Software Engineer, Standards Growth Team, Emerging Technology
Institute, IBM China Software Development Lab
Tel: 86-10-82450778 Fax: 86-10-82453660
Notes ID: Sheng Bo Hou/China/IBM@IBMCN E-mail: sbhou@xxxxxxxxxx
Address:3F Ring, Building 28 Zhongguancun Software Park, 8 Dongbeiwang
West Road, Haidian District, Beijing, P.R.C.100193
*Soren Hansen <soren@xxxxxxxxxxx>*
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2012-04-12 19:50
To
Hua ZZ Zhang/China/IBM@IBMCN
cc
openstack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Thierry Carrez
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Subject
Re: [Openstack] I18n issue for OpenStack
Don't get me wrong.. I'd be happy to have the various openstack
clients offer localised error messages. I'd also encourage a
centralised effort to collect these translationns (so that all the
various language bindings will use the same localised error messages).
On the server, though, I believe we should stick to English and
perhaps have every error message include a link (e.g.
http://docs.openstack.doc/exception/NoNetworksDefinedException) to a
localised docs site. I think losing the ability to search the web for
error messages would be a major loss.
--
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Senior Software Engineer | http://www.cisco.com/
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