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[Mathijs Veen <mathijsv33n@xxxxxxxxx>]

Getting back to the original top v bottom navigation:

I would like to express my complete agreement with Riccardo and Oli (and
others).

The back button is used extremely frequently. It was simply placed where it
can be accessed the easiest. I would keep it there. (That doesn't diminish
the usefulness of the new top-side-navigation though)


What's more: I would very much like to see us go back to the initial design
where the bottom toolbar stays suppressed until it is activated by the
user. Showing it for a couple of seconds on every app launch, is for me as
annoying as any pop-up on any annoying website. It is not like I need
reminding every time I use an app that it is there, every day again. And it
goes counter the essence of what Ubuntu (with Unity) has always strived to
do (especially on Touch): Get stuff out of the way that you don't need
until you need it. I loved it when an app launched totally cleanly. And I
know from irc discusions that many feel the same.

I have heard the argument before for showing the bottom menu at app start
before. Alex restated it above:

 >It's also unpleasant watching newcomers walk up to a booth at MWC and
>struggle to discover basic usability aspects of the phone, like how to
>navigate back.

I really hope that people at the canonical booth of MWC are not taken as an
honest representation of people who will eventually buy an Ubuntu phone.

The entire validation for popping up the bottom menu every time, rests on
the assumption that ppl will not even take 3 secs to grasp the concept of
swiping-up for app feautures (including the back-button) when they
knowingly start using a phone with a new OS. If that were true, I feel we
might be better off just copying the UI of an android phone.


 My two cents! (we'll get rich yet on this discussion:) )


 Mat


On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Oliver Grawert <ogra@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> hi,
> Am Mittwoch, den 26.03.2014, 09:33 -0400 schrieb Stephen M. Webb:
> > On 03/26/2014 09:12 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> > >>
> > > well, it effectively just duplicates the "swipe all the way to the
> right" gesture to get back to the shell ... i
> > > find myself using that gesture and then navigating over to the apps
> scope regulary while I literally only tried the
> > > home button once since I use the phone (well, twice now since I wanted
> to know where you end up with the new
> > > scopes), I'm wondering if it is like that for more people or if the
> Unity button is actively used by many...
> >
> > Hmm, I was unaware the particular velocity and distance of a swipe
> changed its meaning.  It seems this "long swipe"
> > works to go Home when an app is running, but not from the greeter screen
> which is what I start from after waking up
> > the phone when I need to use it, so I never discovered this subtlety.
> >
> > Is this "swipe all the way to the right" intended to be the way to
> reveal a list of installed applications to launch
> > on the converged desktop, the one running on a large high-DPI monitor
> with only a trackpad for input, or will the
> > converged Ubuntu simply change to a desktop-oriented UI the Microsoft's
> celebrated Windows 8 so successfully does?
> >
> UGH ! I hope we will never hard depend on gestures on a desktop UI :) (I
> wouldn't even expect to find scopes by default on a desktop UI
> background actually, I hope we keep the current desktop dash concept
> even in the converged world)
>
> You should be able to use a desktop with a mouse pointer by default and
> gestures should be something you can optionally use there if your
> display has touch support ... on a phone or tablet UI where you simply
> wont have a mouse, gestures can/must/should be the default though.
>
> ciao
>         oli
>
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