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[Kirk Turner <gameldar@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!

I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to be
compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that will
be so I can tinker with UT in the future.

I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list instead -
although there was a question back in December basically asking that with
no reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version
as 3.10.

The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4, while
the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is still
on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the
FlymeOS update coming this year would result in the potential to support
snaps.

On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango <seth.ciango@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've always
> said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are valuable.
> It's not just the code contributions. The translations and documentation
> and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions are all valued
> just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>
> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content
> with an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>
> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>
> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>
> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
>
> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and there
> is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
>
> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
> kernel and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
> hands are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner <gameldar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
>> Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
>> the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
>> which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
>> to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
>> before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
>> the postage back to China.
>>
>> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
>> year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
>> will be able to run snaps)?
>>
>> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
>> just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
>> suggested they a solidly built phone.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kirk
>>
>> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango <seth.ciango@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Pat,
>>>
>>> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the
>>> current BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a
>>> Xenial image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their
>>> phones with a new Xenial image?
>>>
>>> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
>>> Xenial development?
>>>
>>> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially functioning
>>> Xenial image?
>>>
>>> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems
>>> to be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
>>> Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Seth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan <pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, <gareth.france@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
>>>>>
>>>>>> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
>>>>>> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks all for your patience
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
>>>>> current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If
>>>>> we understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the
>>>>> silence. Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money
>>>>> to replace my phone!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
>>>>> support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and
>>>> testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>
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