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[Callum Saunders <dancemeep@xxxxxxxxx>]

Exactly. A family of products that work great on their own and even better
together.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Ian Nicholson <ian@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 11/28/2011 03:33 PM, Ian Santopietro wrote:
>
>> Authenticate with a paired device, and use that to sign in to U1?
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 14:12, Callum Saunders<dancemeep@xxxxxxxxx>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> How else do we deal with managing Ubuntu One content?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Thomas Mashos<thomas@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Callum Saunders<dancemeep@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do a basic parental lock until someone logs in.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:44 PM, Chris<cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about dropping in all together? Only lock certain parts, like
>>>>>> x-rated
>>>>>> movies and the time-grid part etc. No need to log in to watch recorded
>>>>>> movies accessible for all ages or other content.
>>>>>> Again, only logging in when you come to "dangerous" parts of the
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> for young kids.
>>>>>> With metta, Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 21:37, Callum Saunders<dancemeep@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu TV being desktop and having a TV mode seems to defeat the
>>>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>> of TV, it would complicate the whole experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Multiple accounts would be good, probably necessary when working with
>>>>>>> Ubuntu One. I don't think it should ask for login at startup though
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> slows down getting to content (Imagine realising you're about to miss
>>>>>>> Doctor
>>>>>>> Who and having to login into your TV?
>>>>>>> I'd prefer if it just booted into default mode, straight into
>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>> and then people can log in if they want their stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>>>>>>> <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was thinking about Ubuntu TV after seeing Alan Bells thoughts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) The TV is also a Big Screen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I disagree with the idea that Ubuntu TV should only be TV. What I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> like, is to have one TV-mode for actually watching TV, and another
>>>>>>>> for an
>>>>>>>> extra desktop thing. I think it would be nice if the "show desktop"
>>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>>>> was used for this. When you show the desktop, then your normal Unity
>>>>>>>> becomes
>>>>>>>> visible with the desktop Unity, etc. Hit the button again, and the
>>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>> fades back into TV mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) User management.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu TV should support multiple users, for multiple reasons. One
>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>> reason is permissions. Parents should be able to choose which sites
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> channels their kids are allowed to watch and when. Kids of different
>>>>>>>> ages
>>>>>>>> should be able to watch different things. Some wives might want to
>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> their husbands as well. ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another thing is obviously favorite channels, bookmarks (which we
>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>> to come up with a better name for), personal applications and
>>>>>>>> settings. You
>>>>>>>> would also configure your personal devices, which would be
>>>>>>>> recognized
>>>>>>>> automatically. (I'll get back to that)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you "start" the TV, you should be presented with a login screen
>>>>>>>> which should be remote controllable using a standard remote (and
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> things). The default option would be to log in as Guest (perhaps
>>>>>>>> Viewer, or
>>>>>>>> something like that would be better). This account would have
>>>>>>>> restricted
>>>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Controlling Ubuntu TV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you start the TV, you choose a user using a normal remote
>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>> or your phone using bluetooth. You would then be able to choose
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> devices to use. For instance, I would bring my netbook and phone and
>>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>>> down on my couch. I then pick up the remote control on the table (or
>>>>>>>> start
>>>>>>>> an app on my phone) and press the on-button. That displays a welcome
>>>>>>>> screen:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Guest
>>>>>>>> 2) Jo-Erlend
>>>>>>>> 3) Ima Nother
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  I press 2 to choose "Jo-Erlend" and then I'm displayed with a
>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>> screen:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Enter your PIN using the remote control.
>>>>>>>> 2) Activate joe-netbook and joe-phone
>>>>>>>> 3) Only use joe-netbook
>>>>>>>> 4) Only use joe-phone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is where it gets interesting. I can log in using the remote
>>>>>>>> control, entering a PIN number I've chosen. This only provides
>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> watch TV and not other parts of the system, since a PIN doesn't
>>>>>>>> provide much
>>>>>>>> security, but sufficient to watch TV.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, that's boring. Instead, I choose to activate my netbook and
>>>>>>>> phone. These are discovered on the WLAN. If I activate my phone,
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> remote control app is run on the phone which is then used as an
>>>>>>>> input
>>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>>> and I can login using an onscreen keyboard. I can then use my real
>>>>>>>> password,
>>>>>>>> providing full access to my user account on the big screen. I would
>>>>>>>> use my
>>>>>>>> phone as a dynamic, touchbased remote control, with play controls
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> lenses
>>>>>>>> to easily access content, but also get webfeed updates on it -- from
>>>>>>>> the TV
>>>>>>>> system, etc. I should be able to switch to desktop mode, and then
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>> can be used as a mouse and an onboard keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Activating my netbook means the TV connects to it, and I can then
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> laptops keyboard and touchpad as input units for the TV, providing
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>> very big screen to do any kind of work, like a big spreadsheet or
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> This solution is already readily available in Synergy, which is
>>>>>>>> available
>>>>>>>> for OS X, Windows, GNU/Linux, meaning that any laptop can easily be
>>>>>>>> used for
>>>>>>>> this as long as Synergy is running on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would be nice if you could use tablets for this as well, at least
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> a mouse and keyboard for the TV, but the TV should also be able to
>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>>> things on the tablet in that case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What do you think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>  Ugh. Can we get rid of the idea of logging into your TV? As we
>>>> discussed at UDS, nobody wants to login to the TV. It takes too long
>>>> and difficult to do on a remote. For age appropriate content, I say we
>>>> stick with the PIN idea. This should be an appliance, not a full
>>>> desktop replacement.
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>
>>  This sounds like a really good way to do it, although it would be good
> to also allow someone to use U1 without having to have a paired device.
>  That way they'd be more likely to say "Oh man this awesome UbuntuTV rocks
> and U1 makes it even better, but if I get an UbuntuPhone to go along with
> it, it will be the best!"
>
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