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[Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>]

But I never mentioned non-maximized windows at all. My argument
pertained to the dash.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 16:43, Sunil Singh Rana <sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sorry I think I didn't make myself clear enough.
> About the circular button I meat the circular shape of the buttons. I think
> their design being circular is not consistent with the rest of the design of
> the unity. Which has more squarish throughout.
>
> I agree with the global menu bar for maximized window is a great idea; but
> the point I raised was for non-maximized windows. Its nice to have the
> windows control available on the ( un-maximized) window it self; but for the
> windows menu one still have to traverse the mouse pointer to the top bar.
> I think it would be better to have windows menu also on the (un-maximized)
> window itself.
>
> I got the idea of the design.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 23:18, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > So far consistency is concerned I never felt that the circular windows>
>> > controls consistent with any part of unity.
>>
>> They're used to control the dash. You can't make the Dash full screen
>> without them.
>>
>> They integrate the window controls into the panel for maximized
>> windows because they integrate the menu bar and title bar into the top
>> panel. Doing this saves nearly 50 pixels of vertical screen real
>> estate, which is nice on large monitors, and huge on smaller screens
>> like netbooks. Giving the Dash window controls simply makes it more
>> consistent with the rest of Unity.
>>
>> Transparent panels blend in with the dash, and make it feel more like
>> an extension of the panel and launcher, which it is. With the dash
>> open and full screen, it feels like a single sheet draped over the
>> screen since everything blends together seamlessly. Visually, it's
>> very pleasing.
>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 13:44, Sunil Singh Rana <sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 18:05, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I mean that the panel is now disconnected from the rest of Unity. With
>> >> the
>> >> panel at the bottom, there's no reason for the panel to turn
>> >> transparent.
>> >> There's no reason for the Dash's window controls to be in the panel.
>> >> Having
>> >> the launcher on the left side is important, because without that,
>> >> several
>> >> other points in unity simply don't make any sense.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >                May I please request to make those several other points
>> > of
>> > Unity more clear.
>> > Please forgive my ignorance.
>> >
>> > I agree that there in no reason for the window controls to be in the
>> > panel.
>> > I personally think there is no reason for any window that is not
>> > maximized
>> > to have controls and menus on the top panel. It makes unnecessary mouse
>> > travels; though I can understand it might me useful for small form
>> > factors.
>> >
>> > I also never understood the philosophy behind making panels transparent
>> > when
>> > dash is called -- please forgive my ignorance once again.
>> >
>> > So far consistency is concerned I never felt that the circular windows
>> > controls consistent with any part of unity.
>> >
>> > Personally I don't know much of advantages of having panel in left apart
>> > from having more vertical space. But I see the challenges it presents to
>> > make a consistent design.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Nov 30, 2011 8:16 AM, "Omar B." <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> what do you mean "it doesnt work"?
>> >>>
>> >>> you just looked at the first screen and havent tried it.
>> >>>
>> >>> here are more screens:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=171694.0
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/how-to-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-of.html
>> >>>
>> >>> but its still in dev of course.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > From: isantop@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:04:03 -0700
>> >>> > To: sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx
>> >>> > CC: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] unity at the bottom
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What happens to the top panel with the launcher at the bottom? What
>> >>> > about the Dash window controls? Without sticking the top panel on
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > left, I don't see how this design works.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:01, Sunil Singh Rana
>> >>> > <sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > > I think its a great idea. Design can be modified so that it remain
>> >>> > > consistent if some user chooses it to be on bottom. I don't really
>> >>> > > see much
>> >>> > > philosophy behind the current design; for example: I don't know
>> >>> > > why
>> >>> > > the top
>> >>> > > panel or left panel have to have the grey transparent visual
>> >>> > > effect
>> >>> > > when
>> >>> > > dash is called. I wouldn't mind if the dash shows itself in the
>> >>> > > center of
>> >>> > > the screen, without blocking the menus and controls of the
>> >>> > > previous
>> >>> > > in-focus
>> >>> > > application. In the later case, I would be able to drag and drop
>> >>> > > from
>> >>> > > the
>> >>> > > dash to any side of the screen, and the design would look more
>> >>> > > symmetric.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > Sunil
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 18:45, Swapnil Bhartiya
>> >>> > > <swapnil.bhartiya@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> On 11/29/2011 05:55 PM, Christian Rupp wrote:
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> I know it was discussed several times, but a plug-in finally got
>> >>> > >>> it
>> >>> > >>> working:
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html
>> >>> > >>>
>> >>> > >>> Should we include it in one of ubuntu next releases as a easy to
>> >>> > >>> activate option
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> On second thoughts I believe, it's a good idea (gives some
>> >>> > >> customisation
>> >>> > >> to users). Once at the bottom it will be just like Apple Mac's
>> >>> > >> dock.
>> >>> > >> A good
>> >>> > >> thing may be the option to place the launcher anywhere you want -
>> >>> > >> left/right
>> >>> > >> or bottom.
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >> swapnil
>> >>> > >>
>> >>> > >>
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>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
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>> >
>> > "Unselfishness is more paying only people have not the patience to
>> > practice
>> > it."
>> >
>> > " 'I love you' is a wrong sentence as where, there exist 'I' and 'you'
>> > love
>> > can not. Love is an attribute of the absolute."
>>
>>
>>
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>
> --
> सुनील राणा
>
> "Unselfishness is more paying only people have not the patience to practice
> it."
>
> " 'I love you' is a wrong sentence as where, there exist 'I' and 'you' love
> can not. Love is an attribute of the absolute."



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