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[Omar B. <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

we are discussing the menu on unmaximized windows on this bug:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/682788

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 00:43:55 +0100
Subject: Re: [Ayatana] unity at the bottom
From: sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx
To: isantop@xxxxxxxxx
CC: estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx; ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sorry I think I didn't make myself clear enough.About the circular button I meat the circular shape of the buttons. I think their design being circular is not consistent with the rest of the design of the unity. Which has more squarish throughout.


I agree with the global menu bar for maximized window is a great idea; but the point I raised was for non-maximized windows. Its nice to have the windows control available on the ( un-maximized) window it self; but for the windows menu one still have to traverse the mouse pointer to the top bar.
I think it would be better to have windows menu also on the (un-maximized) window itself.
I got the idea of the design.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 23:18, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> So far consistency is concerned I never felt that the circular windows> controls consistent with any part of unity.




They're used to control the dash. You can't make the Dash full screen

without them.



They integrate the window controls into the panel for maximized

windows because they integrate the menu bar and title bar into the top

panel. Doing this saves nearly 50 pixels of vertical screen real

estate, which is nice on large monitors, and huge on smaller screens

like netbooks. Giving the Dash window controls simply makes it more

consistent with the rest of Unity.



Transparent panels blend in with the dash, and make it feel more like

an extension of the panel and launcher, which it is. With the dash

open and full screen, it feels like a single sheet draped over the

screen since everything blends together seamlessly. Visually, it's

very pleasing.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 13:44, Sunil Singh Rana <sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>

>

> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 18:05, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>>

>> I mean that the panel is now disconnected from the rest of Unity. With the

>> panel at the bottom, there's no reason for the panel to turn transparent.

>> There's no reason for the Dash's window controls to be in the panel. Having

>> the launcher on the left side is important, because without that, several

>> other points in unity simply don't make any sense.

>

>

> Hi,

>                May I please request to make those several other points of

> Unity more clear.

> Please forgive my ignorance.

>

> I agree that there in no reason for the window controls to be in the panel.

> I personally think there is no reason for any window that is not maximized

> to have controls and menus on the top panel. It makes unnecessary mouse

> travels; though I can understand it might me useful for small form factors.

>

> I also never understood the philosophy behind making panels transparent when

> dash is called -- please forgive my ignorance once again.

>

> So far consistency is concerned I never felt that the circular windows

> controls consistent with any part of unity.

>

> Personally I don't know much of advantages of having panel in left apart

> from having more vertical space. But I see the challenges it presents to

> make a consistent design.

>

>

>> On Nov 30, 2011 8:16 AM, "Omar B." <estelar57@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>>>

>>> what do you mean "it doesnt work"?

>>>

>>> you just looked at the first screen and havent tried it.

>>>

>>> here are more screens:

>>>

>>> http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=171694.0

>>>

>>>

>>> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/how-to-move-unity-launcher-to-bottom-of.html

>>>

>>> but its still in dev of course.

>>>

>>>

>>> > From: isantop@xxxxxxxxx

>>> > Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:04:03 -0700

>>> > To: sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx

>>> > CC: ayatana@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

>>> > Subject: Re: [Ayatana] unity at the bottom

>>> >

>>> > What happens to the top panel with the launcher at the bottom? What

>>> > about the Dash window controls? Without sticking the top panel on the

>>> > left, I don't see how this design works.

>>> >

>>> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:01, Sunil Singh Rana <sunil.rana@xxxxxxxxx>

>>> > wrote:

>>> > > I think its a great idea. Design can be modified so that it remain

>>> > > consistent if some user chooses it to be on bottom. I don't really

>>> > > see much

>>> > > philosophy behind the current design; for example: I don't know why

>>> > > the top

>>> > > panel or left panel have to have the grey transparent visual effect

>>> > > when

>>> > > dash is called. I wouldn't mind if the dash shows itself in the

>>> > > center of

>>> > > the screen, without blocking the menus and controls of the previous

>>> > > in-focus

>>> > > application. In the later case, I would be able to drag and drop from

>>> > > the

>>> > > dash to any side of the screen, and the design would look more

>>> > > symmetric.

>>> > >

>>> > > Sunil

>>> > >

>>> > >

>>> > > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 18:45, Swapnil Bhartiya

>>> > > <swapnil.bhartiya@xxxxxxxxx>

>>> > > wrote:

>>> > >>

>>> > >> On 11/29/2011 05:55 PM, Christian Rupp wrote:

>>> > >>>

>>> > >>> I know it was discussed several times, but a plug-in finally got it

>>> > >>> working:

>>> > >>>

>>> > >>> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html

>>> > >>>

>>> > >>> Should we include it in one of ubuntu next releases as a easy to

>>> > >>> activate option

>>> > >>

>>> > >>

>>> > >> On second thoughts I believe, it's a good idea (gives some

>>> > >> customisation

>>> > >> to users). Once at the bottom it will be just like Apple Mac's dock.

>>> > >> A good

>>> > >> thing may be the option to place the launcher anywhere you want -

>>> > >> left/right

>>> > >> or bottom.

>>> > >>

>>> > >> swapnil

>>> > >>

>>> > >>

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>>> > >

>>> > >

>>> > >

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>

>

> --

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>

> "Unselfishness is more paying only people have not the patience to practice

> it."

>

> " 'I love you' is a wrong sentence as where, there exist 'I' and 'you' love

> can not. Love is an attribute of the absolute."







--

Ian Santopietro



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सुनील राणा

"Unselfishness is more paying only people have not the patience to practice it."

" 'I love you' is a wrong sentence as where, there exist 'I' and 'you' love can not. Love is an attribute of the absolute."