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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:08:28AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> Would someone please disable python scripting on OSX builds so we can
> provide nightly builds until we can find a solution for the python issue.
> 
> On 3/16/2017 4:56 PM, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
> > I agree 150% with Bernhard.
> > 
> > A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.
> > 
> > I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens.
> 
> I'm sorry you feel this way but this has nothing to do with OSX being
> second class and every thing to do with the simple fact that there are
> far more windows and linux devs so things tend to get fixed faster on
> those platforms.

In his defense, that's kinda the definition of a second class citizen.
Not that it's our _fault_, we don't have many developers for macOS. But
that doesn't make it not true. :\

Wayne, would you be okay with disabling scripting on the macOS builds
until scripting is fixed for them?

> Your comments doe nothing to encourage the few OSX
> devs that we do have.  Perhaps a better way to motivate them would be to
> thank them for their efforts.
> 
> > 
> > Just my $0.02,
> > Jean-Paul
> > N1JPL
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies still don’t build.
> >>
> >> @Simon:
> >> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish? 
> >> Might at least be a start to work with.
> >>
> >> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python bundling has been sorted out?
> >> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build where it doesn’t work right...
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bernhard
> >>
> >>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
> >>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
> >>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
> >>>
> >>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
> >>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>>
> >>>> How is this done on Windows?
> >>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where you just
> >>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put those
> >>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there issues
> >>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD when
> >>>> used from an external Python?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really use
> >>>> windows.
> >>>>
> >>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and
> >>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the
> >>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically
> >>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into an
> >>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more reliable.  At least
> >>>> you would always have a known python build.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the bundle
> >>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
> >>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into the
> >>>> bundle.
> >>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
> >>>>
> >>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from inside
> >>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version used
> >>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible.
> >>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really unusable for
> >>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always trigger
> >>>> the menu action).
> >>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for both
> >>>> types of scripting.
> >>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
> >>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so that we
> >>>> don’t do it twice…
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Bernhard
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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