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[Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 3/17/2017 9:56 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:08:28AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> Would someone please disable python scripting on OSX builds so we can
>> provide nightly builds until we can find a solution for the python issue.
>>
>> On 3/16/2017 4:56 PM, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
>>> I agree 150% with Bernhard.
>>>
>>> A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.
>>>
>>> I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens.
>>
>> I'm sorry you feel this way but this has nothing to do with OSX being
>> second class and every thing to do with the simple fact that there are
>> far more windows and linux devs so things tend to get fixed faster on
>> those platforms.
> 
> In his defense, that's kinda the definition of a second class citizen.
> Not that it's our _fault_, we don't have many developers for macOS. But
> that doesn't make it not true. :\

I wish I had a better answer to this issue but I don't.

> 
> Wayne, would you be okay with disabling scripting on the macOS builds
> until scripting is fixed for them?

I replied to an email earlier to request that we disable python
scripting on osx until the python build issues are a resolved.  Did it
not make it through?

> 
>> Your comments doe nothing to encourage the few OSX
>> devs that we do have.  Perhaps a better way to motivate them would be to
>> thank them for their efforts.
>>
>>>
>>> Just my $0.02,
>>> Jean-Paul
>>> N1JPL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies still don’t build.
>>>>
>>>> @Simon:
>>>> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish? 
>>>> Might at least be a start to work with.
>>>>
>>>> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python bundling has been sorted out?
>>>> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build where it doesn’t work right...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bernhard
>>>>
>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
>>>>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
>>>>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
>>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How is this done on Windows?
>>>>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where you just
>>>>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put those
>>>>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there issues
>>>>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD when
>>>>>> used from an external Python?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really use
>>>>>> windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and
>>>>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the
>>>>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically
>>>>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into an
>>>>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more reliable.  At least
>>>>>> you would always have a known python build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the bundle
>>>>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
>>>>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into the
>>>>>> bundle.
>>>>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from inside
>>>>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version used
>>>>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible.
>>>>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really unusable for
>>>>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always trigger
>>>>>> the menu action).
>>>>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for both
>>>>>> types of scripting.
>>>>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
>>>>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so that we
>>>>>> don’t do it twice…
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Bernhard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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