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[Chris Pavlina <pavlina.chris@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:01:20AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> On 3/17/2017 9:56 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 08:08:28AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> >> Would someone please disable python scripting on OSX builds so we can
> >> provide nightly builds until we can find a solution for the python issue.
> >>
> >> On 3/16/2017 4:56 PM, Jean-Paul Louis wrote:
> >>> I agree 150% with Bernhard.
> >>>
> >>> A disabled Python is 150% better than no new build at all.
> >>>
> >>> I do not understand why OS X users are considered second class citizens.
> >>
> >> I'm sorry you feel this way but this has nothing to do with OSX being
> >> second class and every thing to do with the simple fact that there are
> >> far more windows and linux devs so things tend to get fixed faster on
> >> those platforms.
> > 
> > In his defense, that's kinda the definition of a second class citizen.
> > Not that it's our _fault_, we don't have many developers for macOS. But
> > that doesn't make it not true. :\
> 
> I wish I had a better answer to this issue but I don't.

Same here. In fact I have the hardware/software resources to do macOS
development but not the time. Hell, my own *main* kicad work has been
delayed for weeks, and it'd take me ages just to get to the bottom of
what's going on here and understand it all, let alone find a fix :(

> 
> > 
> > Wayne, would you be okay with disabling scripting on the macOS builds
> > until scripting is fixed for them?
> 
> I replied to an email earlier to request that we disable python
> scripting on osx until the python build issues are a resolved.  Did it
> not make it through?

Nah, there's just been enough discussion on this issue that I've managed
to miss and/or forget some.

> 
> > 
> >> Your comments doe nothing to encourage the few OSX
> >> devs that we do have.  Perhaps a better way to motivate them would be to
> >> thank them for their efforts.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Just my $0.02,
> >>> Jean-Paul
> >>> N1JPL
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have just seen people on the forum complaining that OSX nightlies still don’t build.
> >>>>
> >>>> @Simon:
> >>>> Do you intend to push your changes, no matter how hackish? 
> >>>> Might at least be a start to work with.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or, just disable python scripting at all until the whole python bundling has been sorted out?
> >>>> Having no python scripting is better than having no build or a build where it doesn’t work right...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Bernhard
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 18:56, Simon Wells <swel024@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have previously sent a patch to adam for testing that bundled
> >>>>> python. but it was a bit hackish as since python is a system lib
> >>>>> bundleutilies doesn't copy it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 21 February 2017 at 21:28, Bernhard Stegmaier
> >>>>> <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 00:31, Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2/20/2017 6:27 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2017-02-20 23:48 GMT+01:00 Bernhard Stegmaier <stegmaier@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How is this done on Windows?
> >>>>>> You also don’t have a global filesystem with one Python there where you just
> >>>>>> copy it into the right place… where does the Windows installer put those
> >>>>>> files and how do you use them from some installed Python? Are there issues
> >>>>>> with library paths of the library dependencies that come with KiCAD when
> >>>>>> used from an external Python?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am not aware of any issues with it on windows, but I don't really use
> >>>>>> windows.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> People have requested to include pip with the windows install, and
> >>>>>> that is done now, so I assume that at least something works.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I am not sure if the user uses the shell inside pcbnew or calls the
> >>>>>> python bundled with the installer. The file system layout is basically
> >>>>>> as on linux, just inside the install destination folder.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would something like this work on osx rather than trying to fit into an
> >>>>>> existing python install?  It might prove to be more reliable.  At least
> >>>>>> you would always have a known python build.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, that’s probably the only way to do it in a safe way for the bundle
> >>>>>> (and, as Adam said how Apple requires it).
> >>>>>> Currently only wxPython packages and the pcbnew .so are copied into the
> >>>>>> bundle.
> >>>>>> There is no (matching) python installation contained/copied.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This seems to be sufficient to at least run the python console from inside
> >>>>>> pcbnew with some external python installation - if the python version used
> >>>>>> to build the bundle and the one on the target system are compatible.
> >>>>>> However, the last time I tried it the python console was really unusable for
> >>>>>> me, because you couldn’t even type some keys (menu hotkeys always trigger
> >>>>>> the menu action).
> >>>>>> Don’t know if that has been fixed meanwhile.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, I think this whole python stuff needs a big overhaul on macOS for both
> >>>>>> types of scripting.
> >>>>>> I will work on it when I have some spare time.
> >>>>>> If someone else is going to work on that please drop me a note, so that we
> >>>>>> don’t do it twice…
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Bernhard
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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