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[Shazaf Burki <sburki07@xxxxxxxxx>]

What's going on fellas? Take a chill pill



> On 17 Sep 2018, at 4:33 PM, Daniel Kelly <myself@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what it's going to take to have you take an ethical route. But saying shit like:
> 
>> or an apology from the developers indicating that they
>> really didn't know what had gotten into them, it's like they were
>> possessed or something and they're really really sorry for the attacks
>> that they've been carrying out, and won't do it again (etc. etc.),
>> *then* i would feel that there was a safe environment in which to
>> actually contribute.
> 
> They NEVER attacked you, in fact, you have been attacking everyone else saying shit like "they are possessed", "they attacked you", "your contributions are not welcome" - you are just making shit up. You are a liar, troll, and a spammer. Buzz-off.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:19 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton <lkcl@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:09 AM, 0xb100d <0xb1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> > Luke you are spamming (which is worse than trolling)
>> > posting links to your crowdfunding page.
>> 
>>  ok, so i apologise: and at the same time i feel compelled to point
>> out three fundamental assumptions that you've made.  (1) you've
>> assumed that it's a profit-maximising business (2) you've assumed that
>> it was deliberate and intentional (3) you've assumed that i want
>> people here to know about that ethical eco-conscious project.
>> 
>>  it was definitely not intentional.  think about this: given the
>> ferocity of the attacks and the "blaming" that's occurred, do you
>> *really* imagine that i would want people here to even *know* about
>> the project(s) that i'm actively working on?  do you think i want
>> their negativity directed at work that i'm doing?  do you think i want
>> to risk having them contact people from the project and go, "oh, yeah,
>> that fucking moron that keeps on attacking our project, yeah he's a
>> total dick, don't buy anything from him, for god's sake!!!!"
>> 
>>   ... yeah?
>> 
>>  also: it's an ethical eco-conscious project.  i'm not legally
>> permitted to make a profit on it (not permitted to be directly
>> associated with a profit-maximising business) during the fulfilment of
>> the campaign.
>> 
>>  so it most certainly is *not* my intent to have people here even
>> *know* about that project.  the problem is, i'm barely able to keep up
>> with the messages, having been caught off-guard by the ferocity and
>> quantity of peoples' responses (even after having unsubscribed), it's
>> a ".sig" from gmail, which is often "elided" (hidden), and i forget to
>> explicitly look for it and remove it.
>> 
>>  so, apologies.
>> 
>>  anyway.  the Titanian's Code of Honour.  let me think for a bit about
>> what you suggest, out loud so-to-speak.  do i want to start a "blog"
>> (where i would need to spend time and resources evaluating whether and
>> how to set one up that complies with the ethical criteria that i set),
>> with the specific intent and purpose, spending my time and energy, to
>> write something about the Titanian's Code of Honour for people on the
>> mimblewimble project to read, posting it here at some point in the
>> future for them to consider?
>> 
>>  let's consider what the consequences of that would be. after spending
>> my personal time and energy, taking up my resources to do so when
>> there was no offer of compensation or reward or incentive (i.e.
>> causing *me* "harm"), chances are quite high that i would then be
>> accused once again of "spamming links" (which would cause me "harm"),
>> or "advertising" (again, "harm" to me), and given that the project
>> leader and others have been so vocal in "blaming" me, i honestly and
>> seriously doubt that it would be read, i.e. my time would have been
>> wasted (no possibility of reward, therefore "harm" done to me by
>> having my time and resources wasted).
>> 
>>  which is pretty much the definition of violating the Titanian's Code of Honour.
>> 
>>  so a simple thought experiment shows that to do what you suggested
>> would in fact be highly unethical.  in the current psychological
>> climate of this project, there would actually be significant harm done
>> *to me* by taking the action that you suggest.
>> 
>>  now, if on the other hand there had been an offer of financial
>> compensation, or an apology from the developers indicating that they
>> really didn't know what had gotten into them, it's like they were
>> possessed or something and they're really really sorry for the attacks
>> that they've been carrying out, and won't do it again (etc. etc.),
>> *then* i would feel that there was a safe environment in which to
>> actually contribute.
>> 
>>  [ i have to tell you: right now i feel *really* intimidated and
>> deeply alarmed by the behaviour of people on this list, and in
>> absolutely NO WAY encouraged to contribute.  would you? ]
>> 
>>  so that alone should be a quite useful demonstration of how the
>> Titanian's Code of Honour can be applied.
>> 
>> l.
>> 
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