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[Raphael Valyi <rvalyi@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Yury Tello <ytello@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Jeff, Usually in LATAM there are  between 2 and 3 trainees in the
> official trainings, and these 30% cover International traveling.
>
> Best Regards
>

Hello Yury,

we had kind of the same issues with the CTP training in Brazil (relatively
low attendance rates and travel expenses on both sides). So, just like
Vauxoo we took the decision to also do the training online to avoid
physical costs and be able to delay a training to an other date more easily.

Now, it's different in our case at Akretion because there isn't an official
online training overlapping ours.

At some point this is normal that online trainings don't try to compete one
with another. Now, what is probably not correct is having let you make the
investments you described with a different training agenda in mind without
associating you to the plan.

Also, now with the mandatory certification to become a partner (probably
better than partnering with anybody once the certification is properly
calibrated), trainees would complain if the CTP training wouldn't prepare
them efficiently to the certification. As some 30% of the attendees used to
be partners, we stopped including 12 hours of localization and we now do
the full training only with the official content as requested by OpenERP SA.

Now again, I'm not sure that certification schedule was all as smart as it
was initially pimped out again. Because until last year we used to train
around 80 people a year. But since the certification nobody seems
interested in a 5 days training not including the localization (and no we
wouldn't lie to the trainees about the program)...

You would say: add an other training with the localization. Indeed, we will
do that, but again this is an investment on our side and we will probably
wait for v8 to make it real because we cannot afford investing for a low
return of course.

But mostly, given the "cheap catchy 360° marketing for dummies" I was
talking about in my other mail, a bad collateral effect is that while
people would invest may be a month of training to work with SAP or other
generic ERP's, they would generally not invest say even 8 days of training
to work with OpenERP. While honestly, be it 10 days of official training or
6 months full time alone, this is a bit required if you claim to do
anything professional at all with OpenERP.

>From what I have discussed with the other CTP's they have a bit the same
issue.

IMHO a much better agenda would have been to have the training in country X
prepare exclusively to the certification only once the certification would
have been valued by the market in country X (in one year at best, probably
even later in last OpenERP frontiers such as Brazil) Otherwise people just
don't see the value and would still prefer to quickly learn how to use
OpenERP for their use case in their country. Unless the real goal of the
certification was different may be.


And let's face it, like with any other ERP, the only way to have OpenERP
with real success stories all around the world is indeed certainly to have
quality extensive training and have expert local partners delivering it and
the pioneers who were agile enough to make their way in the hard early days
of OpenERP are probably more suited than anybody else for that.

A month of official available program wouldn't be even be too few for
people ready to invest in training instead of spending time.
But that requires a consistent marketing that value ERP expertise so that
the big players start investing into OpenERP, unlike the cheap catchy
marketing that is being made lately.

So I commented on that mail because I think what is happening with the CTP
program is a good illustration of the limits of the cheap catchy 360°
marketing we were just talking about in the other thread after Fabien asked
our feedback.


Regards and good luck for you Yury.


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Raphaël Valyi
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