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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Samuel,

This sounds like a very serious problem. Please describe with more
details in which way you think ToriOS breaks Ubuntu's IP!

-o-

Ubuntu allows people to create re-spins, but under certain conditions.
See this link

http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy

Best regards
Nio

Den 2016-01-07 kl. 06:21, skrev Samuel Klein:
> Nio -- please realize that at the current stage, ToriOS breaks Ubuntu's
> IP. And if it's discovered, there may be problems down the line. I'm
> unsure what sort of problems, but we should consider switching to Debian
> instead.
>  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2016 at 4:43 PM
> *From:* "Nio Wiklund" <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* Israel <israeldahl@xxxxxxxxx>
> *Cc:* torios@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: [Torios] The History of ToriOS Websites
> Den 2016-01-06 kl. 23:06, skrev Israel:
>> On 01/06/2016 02:28 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> ..
>> I agree with Nio's assesment.
>>
>> We should all try to be very clear with each other, it is often hard to
>> fully express ourselves via faceless text. :)
>>> @ all other toriosadores, ToriOS needs input from more people in this
>>> discussion in order to find a solution that is good enough. Please
>>> tell us what *you* think :-) Best regards Nio
>> Hey all,
>> I am willing to contribute financially as well, I currently do not have
>> much to add but I think between Nio and I we could split the yearly
>> cost, until we received more support or others chime in.
>>
>> I have been extremely busy recently, and have not had the time to do
>> much. I have been working on rebasing for trusty, the main issue I face
>> there is the increased size of the dependencies. Many things now
>> require things we do not use/want/need, such as NetworkManager. This
>> requires a lot more dependencies (initial systemd stuff that was
>> introduced in 14.04) It will take a while to get a decent sized CD out
>> of this, as OBI requires a tarball... perhaps we could offer a separate
>> solution where we have a CD image that requires a separate download of
>> the tarball... though I will continue to look through things and see
>> where I can cut corners (in size not quality of course).
>> The best I have gotten so far is around 800MiB This is too much for a
>> CD, and does not include Seamonkey in any form (live or installed). I
>> might be able to shirnk it more (removing things like synaptic?
>> possibly using my battery monitor (very small gtk program) instead of
>> the XFCE power manager)
>> I still need to test things more but the space issue is the largest. We
>> fixed nearly everything with OBI in our previous testing and have made
>> it much more robust.
>> I do wish there was a smaller network manager that did not require all
>> the gnome stuff, and worked as well (including native icon theme
>> support), but I haven't found one yet.
>>
> 
> Hi Israel,
> 
> I'm glad to share whatever costs are necessary for ToriOS with you :-)
> 
> -o-
> 
> Please check carefully if systemd really appears with the Trusty kernel,
> the 3.13 series, that you get when you start from 14.04 LTS and 14.04.1
> LTS. If not, it might be possible to lock booting via init (the old way
> instead of systemd). I think Lubuntu works well with systemd, but it
> probably makes things bigger. Julien Lavergne has to strip a lot from
> the alternate iso files in order to keep them within CD size in Xenial.
> Lubuntu has given up CD size for the desktop iso files (they are way
> above 700 Mibibytes nowadays (in Xenial)).
> 
> 14.04.2 gives you the utopic kernel and 14.04.3 the vivid kernel, and
> soon we will get 14.04.4 with the wily kernel. Finally 14.04.5 LTS will
> give us the Xenial kernel.
> 
> -o-
> 
> It might be tricky to get a working mini.iso file with the version 14.04
> or 14.04.1 and the Trusty kernel. Please try via this link (and tell me
> if you still can't find such a mini.iso to start from).
> 
> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/
> 
> An alternative might be to start from an Ubuntu Server iso file with the
> Trusty kernel (but not install any server package).
> 
> Best regards
> Nio
> 
> 
> 
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